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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You gotta blame US-brainworms for making people think the opposite of 'conservative' is 'liberal' instead of 'progressive'

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You gotta blame US-brainworms for thinking liberals are centrists.

Also, the "left-right divide" is not very important anymore. The "democracy-dictatorship divide" is what should guide your vote these days.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

This is your brain on worms lol

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

That is the end-stage of US brainworms.

[–] aaronbieber@beehaw.org 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Can someone eli5 this for me?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Liberalism is an ideology with two main parts. First is political liberalism which focuses on individual freedoms, democracy, and human rights. Second is economic liberalism which centers around free markets, private property, and wealth accumulation. These two aspects form a contradiction. Political liberalism purports to support everyone’s freedom, while economic liberalism enshrines private property rights as sacred in laws and constitutions, effectively removing them from political debate.

Liberalism justifies the use of state violence to safeguard property rights, over supporting ordinary people, which contradicts the promises of fairness and equality. Private property is seen as a key part of individual freedom under liberalism, and this provides the foundational justification for the rich to keep their wealth while ignoring the needs of everyone else. The talks of promoting freedom and democracy is just a fig leaf to provide cover for justifying capitalist relations.

This is an excellent primer on the subject https://orgrad.wordpress.com/articles/liberalism-the-two-faced-tyranny-of-wealth

[–] Aralakh@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for the quality answer!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago
[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Let’s use healthcare as an example. Liberalism generally believe in the power of the markets so are quite happy to privatise healthcare.

It’s pretty obvious to anyone paying attention that a healthcare system that requires private individuals to pay for coverage will result in the poorest and most unfortunate having no coverage.

The very idea of privatised healthcare being acceptable on any level is antithetical to leftist beliefs but compatible with liberal ideology, hence it is right wing.

[–] int32@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

liberal used to mean anarchist!

[–] loaExMachina@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

That was "libertarian" or "libertaire". "Liberal" was already a bourgeois ideology at the time of the 1789 French revolution. It was a more egalitarian idea than the pre-existing status quo, since it involved abolishing feudalism and noble privileges, but it also came with a defense to the right of property and free market. I think the difference between the USian use of the word and the use in most if the rest of the world is that Americans kept the quotation of novelty and progressism that were attached to the word at the time of it's independence, rather than the specific type of economic policies it was associated to.