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Microsoft Looking to Use Nuclear Reactors to Power Its Data Centers::undefined

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[–] ninekeysdown@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s … actually pretty neat.

Makes a lot of sense given the amount of power needed to run a data centers like that. Definitely cleaner in the long run too.

They’ll still need backup power/generators but they’ll need a lot less of them and they’ll mostly be needed for the nuclear parts.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The whole plan has only one minor flaw: It'll never work. Building a nuclear power plant never was, never is and never will be economical. The current boom in nuclear grandiose announcements is nothing but a smokescreen. The purpose is to delay the adoption of renewable energy with lofty promises that will never come to fruition. Then we'd be forced to keep using fossil fuels, which is the end goal.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You comment has one minor flaw.

Small modular reactors are a thing now. NuScale has already had their VOYGR SMR plants approved for use in the US. Westinghouse has one that should be ready for sale in the next few years too.

Large nuclear plants aren’t economical for profit generation right now, but SMRs definitely have the ability to be economical for huge power users like Microsoft.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The NRC approved the design, so now they can start building it. That is still a looong way off from having a working reactor. And all those companies are way behind their originally planned schedules. Which is my whole point. I'm not saying they might not get this stuff to work some day. I'm saying that it will take way too long to make any contribution to fighting climate change. We need to decarbonise now and and we have the technology to do it now.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s got nothing to do with Microsoft though. Their reactor wouldn’t be used to power other people, only their own data centers.

They currently buy that from the grid, and they don’t really have any control over the source of that electricity generation. We should absolutely be pushing the power generators to go with renewables, but Microsoft isn’t a generator. They’re a customer like you or me.

They’re looking at moving to small reactors eventually because of the cost of buying from the grid, not for the environment.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago

It would still be far cheaper to deploy the same kind of capacity in renewables. Whoever came up with this brilliant plan can't do basic math.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think Bill Gates has any significant involvement with Microsoft these days, but wasn't he pushing for greater nucleus power usage, including trialing reactors in India?

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago

He was promoting something called traveling wave reactors. Which never panned out. Just like nothing will become of this.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clippy: it looks like you are trying to prevent a nuclear meltdown….

Oh yes, what could go wrong. Windows can’t even run an advertising board without blue screening…

“The core is about to melt down! Hit the shutdown button!!” “I can’t, it’s installing updates!!!”

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Microsoft cloud runs mostly on Linux.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is talking about SMRs and not traditional reactors. SMRs still haven't left the prototype stage, but maybe they'll start to be useful in a decade's time, who knows.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago

That would be a wildly optimistic timeline. And even if they managed to produce a working system by then, it would still take decades longer to scale up to the point where these things could make a meaningful contribution. That's time we simply don't have.