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All Metal too! I don't have a use for them right now but I'm sure I'll find out something! (I have 14 of them...)
I don't have a use for them
Not having a use for extra storage. Wow.
Anyway: !datahoarder@lemmy.ml
glances at their 32TB NAS
No I'm not.
Rust
Those are puny mortal numbers.... my backup nas is more than twice that.......
Trust me, I'd have more, but my wife would kill me for spending $3k on hard drives
It's not very efficient to have an array of 2TB drives versus a single 16TB drive for example. That's a lot of extra required power and ports for little gain under home use.
I'm not in the need of really fast storage... normal spinning rust storage, I have plenty of!
Hey it’s me, your cousin…
My family might grow exponantially with all the cousin ahah
Yeah, it's crazy how many cousins WE have . . .
Niko, is that you? Wanna go bowling.
Nah sorry Roman, I gotta take Michelle out today
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| NAS | Network-Attached Storage |
| RAID | Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage |
| SATA | Serial AT Attachment interface for mass storage |
| SSD | Solid State Drive mass storage |
4 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 15 acronyms.
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Also, SAS -> Serial Attached SCSI
With the SATA acronym it seems to have trouble resolving the AT, so I became curious. Here's what I've found:
"AT" was IBM's abbreviation for "Advanced Technology"; thus, many companies and organizations indicate SATA is an abbreviation of "Serial Advanced Technology Attachment". However, the ATA specifications simply use the name "AT Attachment", to avoid possible trademark issues with IBM.
I’d always get industrial or enterprise hardware. It’s just better.
It's also significantly more expensive 😭
Secondhand stuff can be really cheap if you know where to look, but the drawbacks are usually power and noise.
Especially for hard drives. 8TB SAS drives are down to about $45 a piece.
Brand new enterprise-grade 8TB drives are more around $180 new. Meaning as long as you have redundancy (which you should anyway) then you can lose four used drives before it stops being worth it. Not to mention drives get cheaper so if your $45 drive dies 2 years from now you could probably replace it for $35 etc.
What's a good, reputable source for those cheap 8TB drives?
Ah, you found the flaw in this plan.
Just buy them on eBay. Why does it matter where they come from? Again, four of them have to die before it's no longer worth it. It's extremely unlikely you'd be that unlucky.
Personally I have 15 drives in my NAS, all of them were bought used and they've been running 24/7 for 4+ years without issue. Originally I expected to lose at least one per year but they just keep chugging along. All of them have at least 40k power on hours, with the oldest 3TB ones having over 80k (9+ years)
I use unRAID so if/when one does die it's as simple as pulling out the dead one, popping in a new one, and letting it rebuild itself.
12 drives here all from eBay running same as you for 2 years not a single problem. Hard drives are stubborn bastards when they want to be.
Where I live, for 45€ you get 800GB, not 8TB :').
Except when it comes to SSDs.
Under some work loads they just get chewed to bits long before they are obsolete.
Indeed it is.
There are companies that sell parts from used servers, e.g. SAS controllers for PCI.
Well, I have servers that takes SAS drives so I don't need this kind of hardware for the moment!
Are they cheaper or more expensive than the high density consumer SSDs?
usually more expensive per tb, but for a data center not that much because you can get more storage in a single rack than you otherwise would with peasant 8 tb ssds.
No use for them you say 🤔
I was actually just looking at buying some sas spinning drives for a nas. Found a seller on Amazon thats unfortunately gone before i could buy em but it was a pretty good deal. Where do you buy yours from?
I got them for free from the place I work at! I might not be paid a lot, but things like this makes up for it.
SAS drives are often thrown away because they aren't worth a lot (if you don't mind used drives), maybe you can find a lot of good deals there, and since they are cheaper you can always get some spare drives, with a RAID 5 setup it's kinda good
Damn thats cool! My work doesnt let me take drives old drives. Though we dont use sas drives so that might be why.
I certainly dont mind used drives for mass storage. I was planning to do some kinda raid anyways.
I haven't gotten any kind of nas setup yet. Trying to avoid buying too much lol but good to know other folks are using sas drives too.
Well, SAS or SATA, it doesn't matter for companies... Except if they keep it for spare, they just don't want to be bothered to delete all the data on them. All drives I got was erased before I got them, some people just don't want to see them go to e-waste, others don't care...
Fair point. My company keeps drives that get taken out of servers for office use. After that theyre recycled.
I might not be paid a lot, but things like this makes up for it.
Really? Being given stuff you don't have a need or use for is good compensation to you?
Well, I will surely have a need for them in the future, just need to find it!
And good compensation maybe not but it's better than nother else at all, especially since I've got lot of spinning drives that I'm using on my servers for free. Just replaced 24x 600GB with 24x1.2TB which is not bad for free storage I think
The board interconnectors are gorgeous, I love the simplicity.