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[–] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 214 points 9 months ago (14 children)

Who could've imagined that Google is becoming just as mediocre and boring as any other large corporation. What a surprise!

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 101 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (14 children)

It's happening at my company right now. We just merged. I got a taste of power, performed well, then got written up for spending too much time on my power project. Now they have neutered any power I had, and I'm a glorified babysitter and messenger. The hunt now begins in earnest.

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 69 points 9 months ago (9 children)

A few years ago the MBA suits took over from the nerds and it became inevitable.

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[–] Psyduck_world@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I am old enough to remember that Apple was the pirate of Silicon Valley, and then it became the most “cooperation” company in the industry. Then it’s Google then there will be a next one. It’s probably inevitable for any company to go this route.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's cute that you think any new corporation of that calibre will be born in near future. It will get bought out before that happens

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

They've long been quite mediocre judging by the incredible long hours of those working there and shit quality of basically any technical framework they put out.

They have shoved tons of resources into some things (such as Android) and thus at times succeeded (though usually they don't), but in terms of quality from a technical point of view (i.e. software design, technical architecture) their stuff looks like it was hammered together by a bunch of junior devs.

Lucky timing followed by some smart strategical decisions (and, seemingly, lots of money together with a throw everything at the wall and see what sticks management strategy) are what made Google, not excellence.

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 57 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It's unfair to discount Google's early days. They DID have technical excellence. Search was leagues better than the competition. Gmail was an amazing leap from other providers. Android started as trash but improved rapidly. The Nexus line of phones was amazing. Google Maps was a huge improvement over what else existed. They did a lot right.

I can't pinpoint exactly when the fall started. Was it when Pichai became CEO? When they removed "don't be evil?" I remember a speech Pichai gave where he talked about "more wood behind fewer arrows" as why they were getting rid of employee child projects, so maybe it was that.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I can't pinpoint exactly when the fall started.

In my opinion, it was when anti-trust laws did not trigger upon Google acquiring YouTube because Google Video couldn't compete. That meant it was open season on start-ups that otherwise might have grown to kill Google or other big tech companies like Apple, Facebook and Microsoft.

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[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Android started as trash

It started off by beating the pants off of iOS in terms of features, but was not nearly as polished.

Definitely not trash. But also not polished for the masses.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It became this in approximately 2009 - 2010, around when the founders left and the business bros took over. We've been seeing the slow decline since then, though it may be accelerating now.

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 185 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

The Verge reported that CEO Sundar Pichai defended the layoffs and claimed that workers sometimes reach out to express gratitude for the cuts. “And I just want to clarify that, through these changes, people feel it on the ground and sometimes people write back and say, ‘Thank you for simplifying.’ Sometimes we have a complicated, duplicative structure,” he said, per the Verge.

Chalmers: People send thank you's for lay offs?

Pichai: Yes.

Chalmers: May I see one?

Pichai: No.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 56 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  1. Who writes an email directly to the CEO of their company, and
  2. Who would that email have to be from for the CEO to actually bother reading it?

I'm guessing it's not your rank-and-file type "people".

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 23 points 9 months ago

Managers from unaffected departments who are glad they have less internal competition. And that's pretty much it.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"This is a conversation I could imagine happening if I spoke to my employees directly, and that's as good as an actual conversation."

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah that whole line smells like pure bullshit. I've never seen anyone be grateful for having their coworkers laid off.

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

We had a coworker that got fired a while back, man that was a relief for the entire department. That person was absolutely toxic to work with, or even near.

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[–] hades@lemm.ee 152 points 9 months ago (2 children)

[...] Sundar Pichai defended the layoffs and claimed that workers sometimes reach out to express gratitude for the cuts.

"It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week."

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 62 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Those workers are kissing ass to make their careers.

Sundar is a complete idiot if he believes what those guys say. And he probably doesn't, but it sounds good to the press I guess.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Even the press isn't fooled. Sundar isn't fooled. The other employees aren't fooled. We, the outside observers, aren't fooled. You have to wonder what the point of all this was.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 124 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I feel like the editor that wrote the headline missed the main point of the article. The headline makes the article sound like there are a bunch of dumb and boring middle managers at Google. The actual article has nothing to do with people's direct bosses or even their bosses' bosses. The article was about how Google execs are ruining the company to appease the shareholders. Best quote from the article is:

“We get that execs are excited about Google’s future,” another question reportedly said. “Why should we be excited, when we might get laid off and not be around to share in that future? If we lose our jobs and equity grants, it’s cold comfort that Google is succeeding off our hard work, and we don’t get rewarded for it, but you do.”

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

IMO one thing I think should be made into law is that if a company grants unvested equity, everything granted will automatically vest when you get laid off.

If you decide to quit before they vest, I understand that those grants should be forfeited. If you get fired for not doing your job, I also get forfeiting them.

But if the company lays you off, that's on their side, so I think the opposite (automatic vesting) should be guaranteed by law.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

I had to verify the current situation in the United States is what you stated because it's intuitively so wrong. I can't believe an employer can set terms for compensation and, through no fault of the employee, legally prevent that employee from completing those terms.

Land of the free!

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's the same everywhere. Companies will kick people out when they want to. Any talk of family or loyalty is extreamly manipulative.

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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (4 children)

You're right. Google employs over 140k people.

If the average team is 8-10 people, this article is kinda complaining about 10000+ people being shitty at their jobs.

When really, middle managers are also part of the same worker class.

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[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 102 points 9 months ago

Layoffs will continue until morale improves.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 101 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This has been a huge problem for Google for several years now. Under Sundar, Google implemented several regressive "un-Google" policies like Unregretted Attrition (URA) to reduce worker numbers, shifting responsibility to managers and senior leadership to determine technical vision, and promoting people who are solely focused on "empire building" over delivering the best products. The result is a management-heavy structure where policies like "put AI in everything" and "display more ads" are likely to be a business driver over making the best products.

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[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is why companies should be run by their workers. Even places that start out with a good culture get taken over by the business school blob whose only job is to get promoted and loot the company.

[–] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are some folks that know both how to run a business well and are passionate about the technology, but they are rare unfortunately. More common in smaller organizations at least.

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

They’re common in small orgs. Once you go public and the only thing that matters is the quarterly bottom line, you almost have no choice but to replace them with people whose only though is “make number go up”

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago

From the article:

“And I just want to clarify that, through these changes, people feel it on the ground and sometimes people write back and say, ‘Thank you for simplifying.’ Sometimes we have a complicated, duplicative structure”

Employees think leadership is out of touch. This statement from the CEO proves this problem exists and starts at the top.

[–] ItsAFake@lemmus.org 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

Glassy eyed: drunk and/or high as fuck.

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[–] flathead@lemm.ee 41 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Quick! Somebody order more pizza and ping pong tables...

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[–] luca@lemmy.today 32 points 9 months ago

Sounds like they're still wearing Google Glass.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

This is what happens when entitled business bros take over. The sort of person who is uninterested in tech but is interested in quarterly bonuses will be inept and glassy eyed.

[–] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 9 months ago

Only Google? Management is forged on that mostly

[–] Squire1039@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 89 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

A good example of a bottom-feeding boomer who went batshit insane.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (4 children)

This makes me so sad, I really enjoyed the comic for years and years. Then he had to go and open his fucking mouth and ruin the entire thing. Now I feel a twinge of disgust rather than delight when I see a reference of him.

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[–] Tramort@programming.dev 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Scott Adams is a complete piece of shit

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I didn't know what this was about. I found this that can serve as context for others unaware: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/26/1159580425/newspapers-have-dropped-the-dilbert-comic-strip-after-a-racist-rant-by-its-creat

[...] Adams urged white people "to get the hell away from Black people" during a racist rant on his online video program last week, during which he labeled Black people a "hate group."

On his video show last week, the 65 year old said he had been identifying as Black "because I like to be on the winning team," and that he used to help the Black community. Adams said the results of the Rasmussen poll changed his mind.

"It turns out that nearly half of that team doesn't think I'm okay to be white," he said, adding that he would re-identify as white. "I'm going to back off from being helpful to Black America because it doesn't seem like it pays off," he said. "I get called a racist. That's the only outcome. It makes no sense to help Black Americans if you're white. It's over. Don't even think it's worth trying."

This is not the first time Adams' strip has been dropped. Last year, The San Francisco Chronicle and 76 other newspapers published by Lee Enterprises reportedly dropped Dilbert after Adams introduced his first Black character. Quinn noted that the move was "apparently to poke fun at 'woke' culture and the LGBTQ community."

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