To all the burn it down and rebuild leftists (by protesting and not voting for the lesser of 2 evils) tell me how well that went for the Communists in Germany and Italy the last time mask off fascism rose to power there....

Edit: Not one of these "Self-righteous leftists" have addressed my question about what happened to leftists in Germany or Italy when fascist took power there. Its almost like they dont give a shit about the Prolitariat and would rather engage in purity politics rather than support the working class or marginalized communities. Absolutely pathetic astroturfing, or simply a complete disregard for the Materical Conditions on the ground in America.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think that Germany or Italy wouldn't have gone fascist if the leftists just voted harder?

The historian in me eagerly awaits your reply

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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying that voting harder back then would have changed anything, but drawing a parallel between then and America today where mask of Fascism is very much on the ballot tomorrow and a year from now in the presidential election. Not voting to protect one's ideological purity is the height of privilege.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Okay but voting didn't prevent fascism in those countries. Fascism didn't happen because some communists and anarchists refused to vote, it happened because of class war on the part of the petite bourgeoisie and precarious haut bourgeoisie

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Liberals, please acknowledge that if there is a possibility every election that fascism will win, fascism will eventually win unless you take political action outside of electoralism

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why it's important to build strong democratic institutions to resist fascism, populism, and the like. They won't last forever, but they can take a few election cycles of abuse. Part of the problem with many countries that have truly fallen to fascism or fascist-like movements is that they started out with weak or non-existent institutions. Contrast that with the US, where even the election of Donald Trump of the "Lock Her Up" slogan (very fascist) got basically nowhere with both prosecuting Hillary Clinton and overturning the 2020 election.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This sounds nice but doesn't really address what I said in any way.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How so? Fascism is rarely a matter of a single election. It's usually a slide. Providing a bulwark against that slide means you have several election cycles to snuff out fascism and return to liberal democracy.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So you're just crossing your fingers and hoping the fascism goes away on its own?

What are the historical and material causes of fascism? How do they influence how you should respond to fascism?

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fascism has already won if you're a person of color.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, that is just the status quo in a settler colonial state. Fascism has distinct economic structures that haven't coalesced yet.