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[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago (6 children)

To play devil’s advocate (or perhaps God’s advocate?) if you leave behind the relatively recent “God is omniscient, omnipotent, and all-loving” thing, then bad things happening would be part of even a benevolent deity’s plan. That is to say, bad things are going to happen, working to find a balance that works out well in the long run would be the goal.

“God works all things together for the good of those who love and trust in Him” is a commonly misunderstood doctrine. It isn’t that nothing will ever be bad. It’s that even bad things are included in the plan.

(The Mistborn series, especially the third book in the first era and the books in the second era, does a good job with this concept. Also the final book in The Wheel of Time touches on it during the confrontation with the Dark One.)

So theoretically, even a Christian who despises Trump could say Trump’s presidency is “part of God’s plan.”

(But I’m guessing that’s not what most people mean when they say something like this.)

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, and for the benefit of the many people who didn't read the article, it says this further down:

overall, 4 percent believed God chose Trump because He believes in his policies, while another 32 percent think Trump’s election is part of God’s plan, although God may not necessarily agree with his program.

To put it into perspective, anything less than 5% on the extreme end of a survey is generally treated as the "nonsense response" or "straight-line response" effect, i.e. you can put the most ridiculous thing imaginable on a survey and reliably get 5% positive responses on it. 4% means that the notion was too spicy even for a lot of the usual loonies.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 23 hours ago

Or the book of Job.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also Melkor's chaotic role in Eru Iluvatar's grand song.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes! I really need to read The Silmarillion again.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Audio book is my preferred, I can't do all the names in my head. Or Jess of the Shire's fabulous 30 minute retelling on a whiteboard, really impressive.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

I agree, the first time I finally made it through was when I rented it on cassette tape from my local library back in high school.

I’ll have to look up the retelling!

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago

Part of God's plan of judgement

[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A third of Americans are mentally disabled

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Hey man you shouldn't insult disabled people like that.

[–] chellewalker@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

I don't really know if that means much? Putting aside how people actually feel at the idea of "God's plan", it broadly boils down to: "Did it happen? Then it was part of God's plan."

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

If you ask a Christian "Do you think God personally..." and they answer "No." then how are they a Christian? It's weird how around 66% of people say they are Christian but they don't all believe the part where God is revealed by history unfolding. All things are part of God's plan... but not that!

[–] maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The true satanists.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 2 points 20 hours ago
[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

If I believed in an all powerful being who knows everything everywhere all at once I don't believe anything could possibly not be in God's plan ... So you know like what the fuck? I know what you're thinking didn't I miss omni-benevolent? And I'm like really? It's a logical fallacy and you think with all the evidence around us that is the real one?

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

This really doesn’t speak to quality or satisfaction. If they accidentally drowned their own child, they’d call it god’s plan.

[–] LORDSMEGMA@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

"God's plan"?

This God guy fucking sucks at planning

Some of those believe in a vengeful god and that the plan is wipe out humanity. I would not argue with them on the outcome, just the means of getting there.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net -1 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

I get where people are coming from with a kneejerk, "religion is bad!" reaction, but honestly that's not very helpful. The world is always going to have a pluralism of beliefs, and many of those beliefs are going to be of a religious nature. You're never going to get rid of religion, so may as well be realistic about what can change.

Being that virtually all of the most harmful things being done in the name of religion, in the United States, can be traced to a subset of Christian factions, it's more helpful overall to identify and promote the forms of Christianity that are progressive instead. A groups true worst enemy is their nearest neighbor.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

We have already established by means of the last election that have the voter base it to stupid for their own good. This just cements the fact.

[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Republiklan God’s plan: “And Amen I say to you, if you send me one tariff, I will send you two tariffs back. And I will punish the wicked - and by wicked I mean those Radical Left Lunatics that are eating the dogs and the cats.”

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I refuse to believe a third of a country can be this stupid. I can't even believe that a third of a country can believe in god.

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

1/3 of the country is conservative if you think about it. Look at polls and it's usually 30-40% republican/conservative. 10-20% being "independent" and that's being generous 50-60% Democrats/liberals.

Those that vote not the ones that don't.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It will be a great day once the Evangelical Boomers die off.

[–] ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Won't change shit. Young Internet incel males have turned to the right for a sense of identity. You've got another 60+ years waiting on for them to die off

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

This is literal propaganda.

More genz men lean left than older generations, every progressive generation becomes more progressive.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

religion, in the way of progress since the invention of agriculture

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