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Windows 10 IoT LTSC 2021...'has reached end of support' warning (?!) (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Hi guys! So...yeah, I have a W10 IoT LTSC permanently activated via massgrave getting this warning. Any idea what's up? Shouldn't it continue chugging along for a good few years more?

EDIT: This is a VM, as I run mainly Linux on everything if I can avoid it. I'm just feating there might be more like this.

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[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Na there are a bunch of caveats and different types of Windows 10/11 Enterprise and specifically IoT Enterprise.

Go back to their wiki pages cuz you are guna have to re-do the activation process and should nake sure you are setting it up per the provided instructions. Ive had windows 11 Enterprise IoT running for over a year now and its the best exclusive to Windows/Microsoft decision I ever made.

Microsoft makes a relatively great product in its Enterprise line, stripping most of the spy/bloatware out and allowing simple user configuration settings changes to kill the rest, plus all the advertised tools/software that only comes with an Enterprise shit.

Then they strip all the useful tools out, facefuck as much bloatware as they can jizz into your PC while buttfucking even more spyware into your PC raw dog style with so much breaking of everything with every fuckin update they release and call that fucking bastard Windows 10/11 Home Edition.

Im sorry I forgot what this conversation was about buuuuutttt fuck Windows in their fucking fuckhole is the TLDR.

Edit: This is all going entirely off memory wirh a huge iirc asterisks on it. I definitely remember having to do the set up over and over again, tho, figuring out which version was the best option for my use. I got the bitch set up now with local account, zero microsoft account affiliation and dont update fuckall unless its severe severe severe security risk. Its the best and most consistent my PC has ever ran.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup. This is Win 10 IoT LTSC 21H2. Which should have updates all the way to January 13, 2032, if I'm not wrong. The HWID license is activated and attached to the VM. But...I'm getting a warning in Windows Update today.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah but there were methods for activating it with a trial activation code that only lasted a year I think, a method for activating ut offline permanently, and also a method for activating it using an annual reactivating activation code that, again *******was set it and forget it for as long as windows 11 enterprise will be supported

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes. It's a permanent HWID license, associated to the hardware. No renewal needed, and it's permanently associated to the hardware ID. If I reinstall the OS on the VM, it will reactivate without asking. And yet.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, not to be a dick but, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and expires after the year like the trial activation method... it must be a free trial duck lol. /s

Aka im all out of ideas or recommendations.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If your pirating which for end users is the only way to get LTSC, just run Windows Server.

It's cleaner than LTSC.

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

No, dont run server. Many programs will not allow to be installed on it without getting enterprise versions of the software. Also gaming on it can have many limitations.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Many programs will not allow to be installed on it

I run server and have never seen that. Could you give an example?

Also gaming on it can have many limitations.

There are no limitations. The scheduler doesn't prioritize foreground tasks over background tasks. In my experience that makes it smoother. If you want it to multitask like desktop, it's a registry setting.

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

I run server and have never seen that. Could you give an example?

a example i know right of my head is ESET. it will force you to get their enterprise version. at least they used to do so.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate on how it's cleaner?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

xbox gamebar isn't preinstalled. Onedrive backup and bing search bar isn't preinstalled.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Didn't know they were present on the latest IoT LTSC

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Not disagreeing but this isnt a form of pirating. They didnt break shit, they didnt hack shit and they didnt exploit shit. Microsoft built their entire DRM software in a way that was able to be recerse engineered.

Again, not contradicting anything you recommended. I just wanted to point this out for any lurkers because I cant encourage this option enough for anyone forced into putting up with Windows. You are actually uaing the same activation codes that microsoft themselves generate and distribute to their customers.

I can confirm it works for Windows 10, 11, for any iteration of 23h or 24h, all Office applications, both individually and packaged, visual studio, and I wanna say Adobe but that one im not 100% on.

If your pirating which for end users is the only way to get LTSC, just run Windows Server.

Its been over a year and as I said above im going off memory but I think I went with IoT Enterprise because of how nominal the differences were from Windows Server but also wanted to check out the IoT Enterprise because my cousin was starting his own fabrication/manufacturing company at that time and it was a good opportunity to see what his options were for future scalability that came with IoT Enterprise.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Circumventing DRM by any means, whether that's by modifying it so it doesn't work or just clicking buttons that the DRM provider doesn't want you to click, is legally considered piracy in most of the world. If you didn't get the activation code from Microsoft (or someone Microsoft authorised to give it to you), it's pirated.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Id disagree. Its not my responsibility to close all their doors that are accessible to the public. Microsoft provided all the tools to use their software without their involvement. As a US citizen, I'm liable for my own negligence and/or ignorance. Corporations are pegally protected under corporate personhood so the same liabilities affect them too.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Legally, it isn't. The DMCA (and compatible laws in non-US countries, which those countries have to have or they're not allowed a trade deal, and not having a trade deal with the US is devastating for an economy) doesn't require copyright holders to do anything to defend their copyright. It does make it illegal to do (nearly) anything with copyrighted media that you don't have explicit permission to do from the copyright holder (there are some exceptions, but people generally think they go further than they really do). It also makes it illegal to do (nearly) anything to circumvent DRM, even if you have a legal right to use the thing that the DRM is protecting, no matter how crappy the DRM is and how easily it can be bypassed.

You're allowed to think that the law is stupid (it's the DMCA - everyone who looks at it and isn't a multibillion dollar publishing company thinks it's stupid), but that doesn't mean that it's not the law, and for legal terms like piracy, you can't just substitute your own definition based on what should be legal if it conflicts with the definition that says what really is legal.

The reason why non-crap DRM exists when there's no legal reason to make it not crap is the same reason why DRM exists at all when there's no legal reason to have DRM at all when piracy of DRM-free stuff is already a crime. It's that publishers think that the more of a hassle it is to pirate things, the more likely people are to buy things legally. Technically, a shareholder could sue a company for using crap DRM that failed to protect their IP, but the company has a decent defence by saying that they felt that intrusive DRM would hurt their reputation with legitimate customers, so not using strong DRM is not grounds to say a company's been negligent and liable for any losses they make due to piracy.

[–] nullroot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I thought activation scripts were somewhat of a grey area legally?

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

No, they're illegal several times over as you've got to pirate the thing in the first place to end up in a situation where you need one, and then they're inherently a DRM circumvention device, which are illegal to possess, and then using them circumvents DRM, which is illegal to do. The upside is that you're unlikely to be caught.

[–] nullroot@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

We're talking about Windows ltsc aren't we? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/download-windows-11-iot-enterprise-ltsc-eval the ISO is freely available on Microsofts website.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The script is legal. Not paying for software that requires you to pay is illegal.

It's like DeCSS code that strips drm from DVDs was legally grey but downloading movies you didn't pay for is illegal.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its not my responsibility to close all their doors that are accessible to the public.

It's not your responsibility to close the doors, but it is your responsibility not to walk in an open door and take something that's not yours

As a US citizen, I'm liable for my own negligence and/or ignorance.

Yep, and that negligence/ignorance you're liable for in this case is piracy.

You're welcome to disagree with a bad law (and make no mistake, I absolutely think it's a bad law), but you're still liable for breaking laws you don't agree with. By all means break it, but don't pretend you're not breaking it, and make sure you take reasonable precautions to keep yourself safe while doing so.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

You're welcome to disagree with a bad law

You're picking up what im putting down lol. Didn't mean to say I was disagreeing with what youre saying just in this case especially:

It's not your responsibility to close the doors, but it is your responsibility not to walk in an open door and take something that's not yours

Where I've paid for each new pc build to just have a blank slate and not carry over my digital footprint for microsoft from one build to the next. Also, tho, im not taking what isnt already mine, im just using a work around for dealing with microsoft's atrocious customer service.

Again, not saying this will hold up in a court of law, jist saying I dont lose any sleep over it.

Bonus rationalization: fuckin outlooks locked in and un-adjustable junk mail filters have auto filtered Microsoft own emails for upcoming annual Office invoices to my junk folder that I used to rarely check before getting slammed with over a $100 charge for Office eliminating my ability to use the email reminders as notification to cancel my subscription cuz even if you paid for a year of Office but wanna cancel a month into the year so you dont forget, microsoft says naaaaaaa you lose the remaining 11 months of paid software access.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Microsoft built their entire DRM software in a way that was able to be recerse engineered.

Downloading movies you haven't paid for is also piracy even if there's no drm. Microsoft doesn't need to put any copy protection for it still to be piracy.

Piracy has nothing to do with copy protection.

[–] GetAwayWithThis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The massgrave site has a faq entry for this. According to them it's only a cosmetic bug and microsoft will probably patch it.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Thank you. I think this wasn't there yesterday when i was intensively checking, or i must have missed it. This is the correct answer. Thanks!

[–] rossome@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol