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[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 hours ago

This kind of shit will only increase as more of these companies believe they can vibe-code their way out of paying software devs what they are worth.

[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 day ago (23 children)

Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance. It should be seized by the government.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

Do you really want someone like the magahats having control over something like that?

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 11 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance.

Because it's cheaper and (in broad terms) more reliable than everybody having a data centre.

It should be seized by the government.

Oh yeah, what could possibly go wrong if the US government owned Amazon!

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Best alternatives is making Amazon something owned by the people and not any corporation/government but who knows if that would ever happen

[–] Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

@Alaknar @jali67 It is absolutely not cheaper. Monopolists have a tendency to raise prices once they corner the market. I took over maintenance of a journalism site and cut hosting costs roughly in half while increasing performance by switching from AWS to DigitalOcean.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 13 hours ago

So, you changed one cloud provider to another...

But let me rephrase: cloud can be significantly cheaper - if you know what you're doing and what you're putting on the cloud.

I've been to data centres that cost as much as a decade of cloud hosting the service they were supporting (and that's without operational costs).

Cloud is especially great for small businesses where you have two alternative options: either build your own data centre which you absolutely cannot afford (or risk making it barely operational and unreliable) or host your company at someone else's DC - which is what cloud is, but worse (because nobody can set up so much resiliency and have so many DC techs/admins as Microsoft or Amazon).

There absolutely are situations where self-hosting is preferable, and even cheaper, but wondering "why do we place so much reliance" on cloud service providers just shows that people have no clue what cloud actually offers.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Leta give it to Trump and Elon Musk, they will take good care of it... Lol.

Trump will isolate aws to America only, claiming other countries are ripping him off.

Aws becomes American Web Services.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Put tariffs on everybody who doesn't host US data on their own cloud services.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 11 hours ago

Yeah. :) 100% tariffs on data transfers out of American Web Services...

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It should be seized by the ~~government~~ people and mercilessly decentralized.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Agreed same for Facebook then call it Readabook

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

AWS aggressively pursues high priced and years-long spending commitments with large customers, and they incentivize it with huge discounts for doing so.

And when AWS does this they intentionally incentivize these large customers to migrate existing workloads away from other cloud service providers as well, going so far as to offer assistance in doing so.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 260 points 1 day ago (14 children)

It's wild that these cloud providers were seen as a one-way stop to ensure reliability, only to make them a universal single point of failure.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 135 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But if everyone else is down too, you don't look so bad 🧠

[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 69 points 1 day ago (6 children)

No one ever got fired for buying IBM.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 day ago (13 children)

It's mostly a skill issue for services that go down when USE-1 has issues in AWS - if you actually know your shit, then you don't get these kinds of issues.

Case in point: Netflix runs on AWS and experienced no issues during this thing.

And yes, it's scary that so many high-profile companies are this bad at the thing they spend all day doing

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

Netflix did encounter issues. I couldn't access it yesterday at noon EST. And I wasn't alone, judging by Downdetector.ca

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[–] Sunny@slrpnk.net 83 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I hate how Signal went down because of this... Wish it wasn't so centralised.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

My friend messaged me on Signal asking if Instructure (runs on AWS) was down. I got the message. That being said, it's scary that Signal's backbone depends on AWS

[–] retro@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why is this scary? That's what e2ee is for, so that no one besides your recipient can view the contents of a message. It does not matter which server is used. If anything for a service like Signal, you want a server with high availability like AWS, Azure, Google Cloud or Cloudflare.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Scared because it's centralized. If Amazon decides that it wants to shut Signal down, they can. Nobody can spin up a Signal instance and help out.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago

I would be surprised if Signal didn't have a contract with another cloud provider as well, incase of this sort of thing.

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[–] howlingecko@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have been able to use Signal like any other day. I haven’t seen any disruption in sending or receiving.

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[–] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

according to that page the issue stemmed from an underlying system responsible for health checks in load balancing servers.

how the hell do you fuck up a health check config that bad? that's like messing up smartd.conf and taking your system offline somehow

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 3 points 15 hours ago

If your health check is broken, then you might not notice that a service is down and you'll fail to deploy a replacement. Or the opposite, and you end up constantly replacing it, creating a "flapping" service.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

Well, you see, the mistake you are making is believing a single thing the stupid AWS status board says. It is always fucking lying, sometimes in new and creative ways.

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