Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance. It should be seized by the government.
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It should be seized by the ~~government~~ people and mercilessly decentralized.
AWS aggressively pursues high priced and years-long spending commitments with large customers, and they incentivize it with huge discounts for doing so.
And when AWS does this they intentionally incentivize these large customers to migrate existing workloads away from other cloud service providers as well, going so far as to offer assistance in doing so.
God no, not the government!
They couldn't organise a paper bag party
Large corporations and oligarchs are better? I’ll take the government. At least we can vote on them.
I think co-ops are the way to go, but I can understand that someone "just" wanting to purchase the good/service might not see the difference between a co-op and corporation like Amazon.
I don't think it's a size issue really, but co-ops generally stay smaller in part due to how they are internally organized compared to a "median" corporation.
I also think that the government actually does a pretty good job at managing things; it's just their failures are public. Private boondoggles might drive many people into bankruptcy, but they aren't publicized any more than absolutely necessary.
It would be a more meaningful discussion if the government wasn't controlled so much by large corporations and oligarchs.
Government is also the entity that will be prosecuting/persecuting you when they don't like what you have to say.
Sorry but this is a ridiculous argument. What entity has dropped nukes on an entire population? Who is the current president of the US? Insane take.
An idiot bought by corporations.
Do you literally hear yourself? You think large corporate and oligarchs run insurance, tech, etc., is a better route than a public option? 💀 Jeff Bezos, Musk, Thiel, and Ellison for everything?
When was the last time you heard about a large government computer outage? (I don’t count the VA because that’s broken on purpose.)
Launch of ACA markets? But that seemed more like the company paid to make it under sized it or just did shit code.
Which goes back to somethings shouldn't be done for profit
according to that page the issue stemmed from an underlying system responsible for health checks in load balancing servers.
how the hell do you fuck up a health check config that bad? that's like messing up smartd.conf and taking your system offline somehow
Well, you see, the mistake you are making is believing a single thing the stupid AWS status board says. It is always fucking lying, sometimes in new and creative ways.
I mean if your OS was "smart" as not to send IO to devices that indicate critical failure (e.g. by marking them read-only in the array?), and then thinks all devices have failed critically, wouldn't this happen in that kind of system as well..
I hate how Signal went down because of this... Wish it wasn't so centralised.
I have been able to use Signal like any other day. I haven’t seen any disruption in sending or receiving.
Started moving to Element/Matrix this weekend when I attended a protest and wanted to have some kind of communication, but also wanted to leave my primary phone at home. I was using a de-googled android fork and an e-sim, but being a data-only e-sim, I couldn't use Signal due to the phone number requirement.
Annoying to have try to get contacts to get another app, but at least it's decentralized and comes with the option of being self-hosted once I'm ready to tackle that.
Hey, note that you can use mautrix-signal to access your Signal account within Element on this phone.
@MrMcGasion @Sunny Come to the dark side (xmpp, and jmp.chat) and get decentralized messaging and SMS support with that data-only sim!
@Sunny@slrpnk.net already has an XMPP account, as that is included in every slrpnk.net account automatically. It is very easy to set that up for most Fediverse software, and the user id is identical between Fediverse and XMPP.
My friend messaged me on Signal asking if Instructure (runs on AWS) was down. I got the message. That being said, it's scary that Signal's backbone depends on AWS
Why is this scary? That's what e2ee is for, so that no one besides your recipient can view the contents of a message. It does not matter which server is used. If anything for a service like Signal, you want a server with high availability like AWS, Azure, Google Cloud or Cloudflare.
I hope they consider other ways of doing things after this incident.
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that is an understatement 😂
It's wild that these cloud providers were seen as a one-way stop to ensure reliability, only to make them a universal single point of failure.
Well companies use not for relibibut to outsource responsibility. Even a medium sized company treated Windows like a subscription for many many years. People have been emailing files to themself since the start of email.
For companies moving everything to msa or aws just was the next step and didn't change day to operations
People also tend to forget all the compliance issues that can come around hosting content, and using someone with expertise in that can reduce a very large burden. It's not something that would hit every industry, but it does hit many.
universal single point of failure.
If it's not a region failure, it's someone pushing untested slop into the devops pipeline and vaping a network config. So very fired.
Apparently it was DNS. It’s always DNS…
But if everyone else is down too, you don't look so bad 🧠
One of our client support people told an angry client to open a Jira with urgent priority and we'd get right on it.
... the client support person knew full well that Jira was down too : D
At least, I think they knew. Either way, not shit we could do about it for that particular region until AWS fixed things.
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It's mostly a skill issue for services that go down when USE-1 has issues in AWS - if you actually know your shit, then you don't get these kinds of issues.
Case in point: Netflix runs on AWS and experienced no issues during this thing.
And yes, it's scary that so many high-profile companies are this bad at the thing they spend all day doing
Case in point: Netflix runs on AWS and experienced no issues during this thing.
But Netflix did encounter issues. For example the account cancel page did not work.
Yeah, if you're a major business and don't have geographic redundancy for your service, you need to rework your BCDR plan.
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