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[–] shirro@aussie.zone 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

We have three windows laptops in the house. All for use in schools which were always heavily pro-Microsoft here. I haven't paid much attention to Windows 11. The last time I used Windows other than setting it up or fixing it for someone else was probably XP. All three users of those laptops come home from school/work, put them on a charger then head to a linux machine to play games, edit video etc. They know they have linux support and they have grown up with Linux. Not one of them has asked to upgrade their laptops to Linux yet.

Perhaps Microsoft isn't annoying regular users as much as the tech press and tech users think they are. Remember people still use shit like Facebook not just willingly but in some cases enthusiastically. We are a diverse lot. Some people, probably the majority, will put up with the same shit every day and not think to change their environment. I don't know whether it is too difficult or they are scared of change or they don't realize it is possible or perhaps they simple aren't bothered by the same things. Possibly all of the above.

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[–] tccpdi@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Long time windows user, games retained me but I found Proton so bye bye forever windows. Now convincing my wife to switch it's the real challenge haha

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[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago
[–] viking@infosec.pub 21 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I upgraded to Windows 11 last week after my laptop initially came with it 2 years ago, but was so bloated and slow I installed Windows 10 from USB.

With the EoL I reluctantly upgraded due to company policy, and it was running surprisingly smooth. Really thought they'd fixed it. Only that two days later when I booted the system, I had a blue screen - the first one I have seen since Windows XP.

Page fault in non-page area 0x50 - google suggests reboots, or if they don't bring any progress, boot into safe mode and update all drivers. Only that I couldn't boot into safe mode, the BSOD locked me out.

Second suggestion was faulty RAM. Did a memtest from boot stick, no fault.

Third suggestion was to run checkdisk and scm or whatever it was called (some system file integrity check). All good.

Fourth suggestion was to boot into recovery mode, roll back into the system image the Windows 11 installer created, and redo the upgrade. Only to find out that the system restore point had not been created, despite the info box during the installation that this was happening.

Last suggestion was to reinstall Windows 11 from the repair mode, and select the "keep files" option. The offline installer crashed at 25% repeatedly, the online installer moved to 92% and stopped there. Repeatedly, again (tried 3x, and it takes about 1h to get there).

After all that frustration I had enough of that shit and installed Windows 10 IoT LTSC with updates until 2032. When the time comes I'll either have a new job where I can use Xubuntu, or Microsoft installed on a chip in my brain. Let's see.

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[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Not sure why we're surprised. And even then, it took a while for the "good" OSes to get good. Windows 7 is remembered fondly because it ended well, not because it started well.

Windows 95: OK Windows 98: Bad Windows 98 SE: OK Windows ME/2000: Bad Windows XP: OK Windows Vista: Bad Windows 7: OK Windows 8: Bad Windows 10: OK Windows 11: Bad

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Windows 98 wasn't bad. It was a big improvement in stability over 95. Windows ME/2000 were two completely separate products. Win 2000 was based on NT which always got better until maybe Vista. Vista itself wasn't bad. The problem was end users not liking security. Vista made it easier than sudo to temporarily elevate security and everyone still complained. So they backed off on 7 which was less secure because it didn't enforce security elevation as much.

You also can't list 98SE and ignore Win 8.1. 8.1 was a bandaid fix for the start menu of 8 but was still a bad. Not to mention that there was also Win95 OSR1 and Win95 OSR2.

There's no significant difference between 10 and 11 to claim one is good and the other is bad. All the spyware and advertising garbage in 11 was also in 10.

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[–] Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 days ago

This is selective memory. XP was terrible until SP2. Do you not remember every PC in the world getting the blaster worm.

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[–] RedStrider@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I hate windows 11 so much. Notifications are so much harder to read compared to 10 due to the right menu being nonexistant, instead we have this floating notification area that I never use. Everything takes ages to load, even on my beefy pc Settings still takes like 10 seconds to open. And it feels like the programmers died halfway though re-coding the context menus. Everything slightly more advanced can only be done through the old stuff so you end up with this awful mess where there's no design consistency, and it takes twice the clicks to get to something.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Makes me wonder if anyone actually likes the windows experience. The main resistances I see to moving away from it are about familiarity and compatibility, plus some people tired of linux's popularity here.

I'm thinking that the company is only surviving based on large org buyin, including the main PC system makers who make windows the default option.

[–] br0da@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Windows is still a fixture in my life due to work, but I’ve ditched Windows at home for years and won’t ever go back.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 13 points 3 days ago

Glad I ditched windows 11 for linux mint.

[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 24 points 3 days ago

Once I finish college I'm nuking my Windows partition. Won't even boot into it on any future laptop, will just nuke it fully. I'm just waiting now cause I don't wanna have to fight with teachers over online test software and shit, I like being able to do easy at home exams.

But I will relish the day I walk across the stage. It'll be gone that night.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

Shock! No, but seriously. This is not a surprise.

[–] BehindTheBarrier@programming.dev 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My experience with W11 on the work laptop.

Taskbar sucks, maybe because I'm colorblind but I can te what my selected program is and programs with notifications (Teams) look like the focused program. Apparently notification boxes there are pink now. Can't find any accessibility setting but fuck the colorblind I guess. It feels wrong to click the highlighted icon I for years have learned will mean that I minimize it...

And why all the dots? And why is the notification dot the largest, so I can even tell which window is actually focused?

Outlook doesn't open with focus, especially the window that is supposed to pop up and warn me of upcoming meetings. Really annoying.

Teams notifications just don't show if you are in a meeting and that is focused, they used to do that on W10.

Might be a Firefox bug, but there's a lot of new visual bugs. Github diff view is randomly strongly colored, and randomly changes to the old weaker background colors when scrolling/resizing the windows. And a surprising amount of scrollbars in grids that weren't there before.

I just wish W11 at least worked with the regular features of W10.

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