Call me cringe but this all works in Fish which is what I primarily use
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I think this is one of many un-features in Linux world where
- It would benefit a beginner
- It sounds simple but actually quite complicated to get right (especially if you aim to keep compatibility with things)
- Anyone possessing the skills to implement it neither needs it nor cares about it
As such, for you individually, I suggest just getting more comfortable with tmux (or zellij) and vi-like keybinds for text manipulation. Once you learn those (and set your readline mode to vi), you won't look back. Oh, also, try Ctrl+x Ctrl+e in bash, it might help.
Or switch to emacs and using it as a terminal emulator. In that case you will have to learn and use emacs keybindings, but the selection semantics in the "terminal" will be the same as in the "editor".
Add Windows-like Alt codes to the list. They're not perfect (they use a DOS codepage and A-F in the Unicode extension clash with shortcuts in other programs like Firefox, although not passing them through via xkb would solve this) but people use them a lot, especially in my country. At? Alt+64. Backtick? Alt+96. Caret? Alt+94. Hash? Alt+38. Musical note? Alt+13. Yes, we can type most of these on the Czech layout with AltGr but people don't know this and/or prefer things that work on the commonly default English layout too.
I prefer compose keys because they are easier to remember.
Oh, also, I think GTK apps have that Ctrl+shift+U thing which allows you to enter characters by code. Never really got used to it though.
I've got what I wanted with wezterm + powershell. I can edit my commands the same way I edit any text anywhere in the system, both in Windows and Linux, and I can copy-paste back and forth between terminal and any other app. This is awesome. This is freedom. This is UX done right.
I will paste below some observations I've made.
Possible solutions for Bash
- https://github.com/jirutka/zsh-shift-select - plugin for zsh as pointed out by @stupid_asshole69@hexbear.net and several other sources;
- https://github.com/akinomyoga/ble.sh - ReadLine replacement for Bash (most promising);
- https://github.com/magenta404/natural-selection - plugin for FishShell;
- https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/p0jjno/how_to_use_shift_arrow_keys_to_select_text_in/ - most useful source on this topic.
Blesh
https://github.com/akinomyoga/ble.sh/wiki/Manual-%C2%A74-Editing
- Super simple installation.
- Home/End - Jump to start/end as expected. ✅
- Ctrl+Backspace removes left char instead of left word. ❌
- Ctrl+Delete removes next word as it should. ✅
- Shift+arrows - char-wise text selection ✅
- Shift+Ctrl+arrows - word-wise text selection ✅
- Shift+Home/End don't do anything. ❌
- Backspace/Delete: When smth is selected they delete it. ✅
- Copy/Paste/Cut: ❌
- It's Alt+W/Ctrl+Y/Ctrl+W instead of Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V/Ctrl+X.
- All work with selection as expected.
- All work with internal buffer instead of system clipboard.
- System clipboard:
- Can't copy selection to clipboard, can't paste clipboard into selection.
- Ctrl+Shift+C/V work as they do in vanilla bash: copy what is selected with mouse to clipboard, paste from clipboard.
- Ctrl+C prints current command and starts new one like in vanilla bash.
zsh-shift-select
- Stated to have best compatibiliy with Alacritty.
- Alacritty requires Cargo (440MB).
cannot install package alacritty 0.16.1, it requires rustc 1.85.0 or newer, while the currently active rustc version is 1.75.0Fail. Will use Gnome Terminal instead.
- Alacritty requires Cargo (440MB).
- Needs zsh, super simple installation.
- Zsh should be default shell,
gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV. - Plugin itself has simple installation, just git clone .zsh file and source it in
.zshrc
- Zsh should be default shell,
- Ctrl+arrows - prints CD instead of moving word-wise ❌
- Ctrl+Backspace, Ctrl+Delete - are not deleting left/right word ❌
- Home/End - Jump to start/end as expected. ✅
- Shift+Left/Right - char-wise text selection ✅
- Shift+Ctrl+arrows - word-wise text selection ✅
- Shift+Home/End don't do anything. ❌
- Shift+Up/Down - Select one line up/down ✅
- Backspace/Delete - When smth is selected - delete it. ✅
- Copy/Paste/Cut: ❌
- Documented as Alt+W/Ctrl+Y/Ctrl+W instead of Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V/Ctrl+X.
- Alt+W/Ctrl+Y work as copy/paste.
- Ctrl+W removes previous word instead of Cut selection.
- Work with internal buffer instead of system clipboard.
- System clipboard:
- Ctrl+Shift+C/V work as they do in blesh and vanilla bash.
- Can't copy selection to clipboard, can't paste clipboard into selection.
- Ctrl+C prints current command and starts new one like in vanilla bash.
wezterm + Powershell
PSReadLine starts with EditMode = Emacs by default.
Set-PSReadLineOption -EditMode Windows Fixes Ctrl+arrows, Ctrl+backspace, Shift+Ctrl+arrows.
Set-PSReadLineKeyHandler -Chord Ctrl+Delete -Function KillWord - Fixes Ctrl+Delete.
Set-PSReadLineKeyHandler -Chord Ctrl+o -Function AddLine - allows Ctrl+o instead of Shift+Enter to create a new line without trying to execute. Shift+Enter is not possible in Linux.
Reassigning Shift+Home/End in Gnome Terminal from scrolling viewport to something else is a rabbit hole, so I switched to wezterm, which fixed Shift+Home/End, and apparently also fixed a bug of Shift+arrows printing D;D;D; instead of selecting. But broke Shift+Ctrl+arrows. But you can fix it back by disabling this assignment in lua config.
Ctrl+C/V/X work fine, but without system clipboard synchronization. To fix it, install xclip. If it makes terminal freeze on Ctrl+C/X, update PSReadLine module.
- Ctrl+arrows ✅
- Ctrl+Backspace, Ctrl+Delete ✅
- Home/End ✅
- Shift+Left/Right ✅
- Shift+Ctrl+arrows ✅
- Shift+Home/End ✅
- Shift+Up/Down ❌
- Shift+Enter - Ctrl+o instead ✅
- Ctrl+C,Ctrl+V,Ctrl+X - Flawless ✅
Windows + conhost + Powershell Core
PSReadLine starts with EditMode = Windows by default.
- Ctrl+arrows ✅
- Ctrl+Backspace, Ctrl+Delete ✅
- Home/End ✅
- Shift+Left/Right ✅
- Shift+Ctrl+arrows ✅
- Shift+Home/End ✅
- Shift+Up/Down ❌
- Shift+Enter ✅
- Esc - clear current command ✅
- Ctrl+C,Ctrl+V,Ctrl+X - Flawless, all with system clipboard. ✅
I was able to test out what you’re looking for on macos and its default out of the box terminal does copy and pasting with command-c/x/v just like everywhere else in the os. I haven’t tested Unicode, but rich text and other marked up text types get copied with their formatting between editors that support it and as ansi characters when pasted into the terminal. Option (alt) arrow keys jump to the first letter of each “word” and control arrow keys don’t do what you want because at the os level they’re the keys for switching workspaces. Which is really nice and reminds me I need to set up my windows image to do this instead of uhh win-ctrl or whatever it is.
The default macos shell is zsh, so maybe with that shift-select extension you can get it the way you like.
Might be time to switch to a mac!
I’m really surprised that you couldn’t get alacritty working in Ubuntu, it’s been working fine on Debian stable for at least two major versions when installed through apt.
I was able to test out what you’re looking for on macos and its default out of the box
This is so cool. Unfortunately, macos isn't an option for me and never had been (for common reasons why people usually switch to linux).
I’m glad you got it set up how you were looking to! Wezterm is a new one for me.
I think if we want something like that to be consistent everywhere we need to stop using Ctrl so much as a modifier for non-terminal tasks. It doesn't solve everything, but using Alt or Super for copy and paste like Haiku and MacOS do is a big step in the right direction. It's just hard to change an established custom without making the whole experience less consistent
It’s nice to see you think of it as of movement towards consistency. I also look at it this way.
But what is it about Ctrl? Text editing is historically the main task of computers, and Ctrl is the main “modifier” key. To me it seems fair it’s dedicated for some text editing shortcuts. Probably they are consistent since 1980’s.
but ctrl-c to cancel terminal tasks predates the 1980s. the inconsistency came in when apple decided to ignore that precedent and introduce ctrl-c, ctrl-x, and ctrl-v as shortcuts in their graphical UI.
to achieve consistency, probably better to invent a new terminal type that does away with the accumulated cruft of 50 years. problem is you would also need new cli programs to go with it.
Your comment reads extremely weird, considering both Mac and Windows handle this with zero issues.
It's super simple: if you're in Select mode (any text is selected), Ctrl+C copies. In any other case, Ctrl-C is the cancel command.
It exerts too much Control to the users.
I'll see myself out
You can Ctrl-see yourself out.
I think Ctrl A and Ctrl E are home and end in cli
I have everything you mentioned (except maybe the selection only stuff, I don’t use it and forget if I set it up at all) set up in my zsh+kitty setup, so it’s definitely possible. If you want I can dig thru my zshrc and kitty config for the relevant parts once I’m at my pc later.
People in here saying it’s a bad idea for things like compatibility with other shells make some good points, but I think they’re missing one important aspect - fuck other shells, what do I care? 95% of my time in the terminal is spent on my own machine and I may as well make it convenient for myself. The odd time I ssh into another box without my keybinds I’ll be a bit less efficient, but that’s a worthwhile trade off imo.
I feel your pain, the only one's I know are...
- CTRL+a = cursor to beginning of line
- SHIFT+CTRL+c = Copy
- SHIFT+CTRL+x = Cut
- SHIFT+CTRL+v = Paste
You can add:
- CTRL+K = delete everything from the cursor to the right.
- CTRL+U = delete everything from the cursor to the left.
And just to complement those, CTRL+Y to "yank" back whatever was deleted with CTR+K or CTRL+U.
I get those 3 bulleted features in my terminal, alacritty. But not with Shift. For highlighting I'm pretty much limited to selecting text with the mouse and ctrl-shift-c.
For more sophisticated text selection, tmux comes to mind. Default key bindings appear to be emacs-esque, though vi style is possible too. Custom keybindings are possible as well. It does seem like you may be forced to enter a special mode for selection rather than having that available all the time with just shift.
For more sophisticated text selection
Here it is. What I’m asking for is not sophisticated at all, quite the opposite. I ask for keybindings which work in almost all text editing areas, in all applications, all operating systems. Vi and eMacs are steps in opposite direction. I think I even used a vi-mode in terminal a couple of years ago. I doubt it’s possible to simplify command editing with it.
The thing is that vi and emacs have existed since long before those other new editors came around.
What you want is possible to do by configuring your ~/.inputrc (see readline manual page for details), it's just that the defaults are different because they are from a time when many keyboards didn't even have arrow keys (and the ones that had them were in non-standard positions) so most of the shortcuts that became standard in those days are completely different than the ones common today. Given that the terminal is meant to emulate old style DEC VT100 terminals (that's why it's called terminal "emulator") it made sense to use those default that people had grown used to.
Personally, I've grown used to Ctrl+a, Ctrl+k, Ctrl+w, Ctrl+e and Ctrl+y ..I dont have to reach to wherever the Home key is in whatever keyboard I happen to be using at the moment (specially with modern 75%/60%-sized keyboards today). Or use a combination that also requires shift and having to hold so many keys together. In fact I went the opposite direction and customized my Powershell profile while I'm on windows to keep many of those old shortcuts in the Windows pwsh terminal as well.
The thing is that vi and emacs have existed since long before those other new editors came around.
What a weird thing to say... So what that they existed before? Who cares?
Ctrl/Shift modifiers work in a very consistent way in the entirety of Windows, most of Mac, and... everywhere in Linux except the terminal.
It boggles my mind that there isn't a simple switch to toggle between "classic" and "modern" style for keybinds.
I know in zsh, fish, and nushell, you can press a key combo to jump into a text editor of your choice. You write your command there, with all the power and shortcuts in emacs, vim, nano (whatever you like to use). Then you save and exit, and it appears in your command line, ready to execute.
zsh shift select is probably a good start. Zsh can most likely be rebound to do what you want with the possible exception of break.
Don’t do what you want though. It’s stupid, will make you unhappy and cause you problems.
Your terminal isn’t powershell. Your terminal emulator is an emulation of a terminal. There is a shell that it runs, probably bash, but it’s also an emulated terminal.
Powershell (and shells that slough off compatibility for the sake of adapting newer ideas, like zsh) is cool, but its able to be the way that it is because it isn’t a terminal emulator.
If you change a bunch of shit around to make zsh like powershell then you can break your terminal emulation.
Instead, either use tmux or screen bound the way you want, with their defaults or just don’t use the terminal. You don’t need to. If you do need to then you’ll be exposed to funny things like “the terminal isn’t a wysiwyg editor” and “stdio includes function keys” which require a layer of abstraction in between you and the terminal like tmux or screen, which have existed for many years and are the mature, feature rich solution to your problem.
The benefit of not doing what you want by making yet another mutant zsh and instead adopting one of the existing solutions is that your terminal will work like all the others, so when someone asks you to try something in order to troubleshoot a problem you’ll be able to instead of having to troubleshoot how your weird garbage is different from theirs.
Another huge benefit of not creating a special, unique zsh to do what you want is that you will gain competency with every terminal you’ll ever encounter. Which means that instead of being lost when sat down at a terminal other than your own, you’ll be just fine.
If you want to persist in the doomed world you have created, though, oh-my-zsh documentation will probably get you most of the way to the rest of what you want.
There's apparently a ZSH plugin for this with a quite a few stars, though I haven't used it and can't speak for how well it works. In other shells what you want just doesn't exist to my knowledge, though it should be possible to script it with enough effort.
The problem is that in the terminal you always have at least two layers of input handling in the terminal emulator and the shell. And these layers talk to each other by emulating a 70s VT100. This leads to some issues, in no particular order:
- Terminal emulator keybindings will step on shell keybindings, and the shell will never know about it because it can't actually see the keys being pressed.
- Even if the terminal doesn't care about a key, it might be impossible or error-prone to detect anyway. This applies to surprisingly regular keys like Tab.
- As you've noticed some terminals try to get clever and do things like making Ctrl-C copy if you've selected text. The shell doesn't know about this either.
- Most shells and TUI apps have selection modes. These are independent from terminal selections.
- There's no standard way of using the clipboard in Linux, but multiple different ones that may or may not work.
All of these problems gets worse if you add multiplexers like tmux by the way.
Now it would be possible to write a bespoke terminal emulator and shell combination that unifies selection and makes all the reasonable keybindings actually work. There are attempts at this, such as the Emacs Eshell. Unfortunately Emacs people don't quite share your idea of what reasonable keybindings look like (and it's also a little bit broken, though for mostly unrelated reason).
Ultimately though the main reason this is an unsolved problem is that most Linux users just get used to the regular Readline line editor that all commonly used shells ship with. Complex edits can always be done in your $EDITOR (via C-X C-E in Bash).
“But you can’t copy with Ctrl+C, it’s…” - You can. When something is selected It copies selection to clipboard, otherwise it sends SIGINT.
What terminal emulator are you using where ctrl-c copies instead of sending SIGINT when text is selected? In every one I've ever used, ctrl-c still sends SIGINT even with text selected (and one must must use ctrl-shift-C/ctrl-shift-V to copy/paste).
I don't have any suggestion for getting the behavior you're asking for, but besides the normal ctrl-(shift)-C/V clipboard FYI you also have two other types of clipboard-like things: one which works anywhere (not only in the terminal) and is actually always automatically copying anything you select and lets you paste from it with middle click (this originated with X Windows but i think most Wayland compositors have also implemented it by now), and another which is found in GNU Readline (used by bash and numerous other REPLs) called the "kill buffer" which can be pasted (or "yanked") from and cut (or "killed") to using Emacs keyboard shortcuts (which also include various cursor movement controls).
Notes:
- the kill buffer is local to a given readline context, it's not shared across different shell windows.
- the list of emacs keybindings in that wikipedia article i linked is currently confusingly referring to the kill buffer as "the clipboard"
- you can drastically reconfigure your readline keybindings and other behavior by editing your
.inputrcfile, but you cannot achieve what you were originally asking for because there is no concept of text selection in readline.
HTH!
What terminal emulator are you using where ctrl-c copies instead of sending SIGINT when text is selected?
This is what I experienced in conhost.exe (legacy windows console experience, predecessor of Windows Terminal) + Powershell. In windows terminal it works this way too. This is why I suspect it’s related not to terminal itself (conhost.exe/wt.exe/gnome terminal etc), and not to specific shell (bash/powershell), but to an extension for shell (ReadLine,PSReadLine).
As for various types of buffers and clipboards, I always felt like one system-wide clipboard with clipboard history is enough. When I cut something from terminal, quite often I paste it into another app, and not back to terminal.
What terminal emulator are you using where ctrl-c copies instead of sending SIGINT when text is selected?
I know that the terminal emulator built into the JetBrains IDEs works that way...
Ctrl + a or crtl + e is start or end of line?
This is one of the reasons I prefer using ctrl-insert/shift-insert when it's available. Unfortunately the Insert key seems to have disappeared from a lot of keyboards. Scroll lock sometimes works instead of ctrl-s and ctrl-q. I would be ok remapping ctrl-c to ctrl-break, but I still use ctrl-z to background a job. Would be great if terminals had a quick easy way to select your preference of Microsoft, unix, or CUA shortcuts.
I think most of this works for me in zsh. But also tmux can help with selection; I believe by default you use your prefix then open bracket (Ctrl-b + [) to put your self in selection mode. I have some configs to use vim bindings in selection mode.
Tmux selection:
# Yanking
bind-key -T copy-mode-vi v send-keys -X begin-selection
bind-key -T copy-mode-vi C-v send-keys -X rectangle-toggle
bind-key -T copy-mode-vi y send-keys -X copy-selection-and-cancel
zsh keybinding:
# Key Bindings
# set vim mode
bindkey -v
# create a zkbd compatible hash;
# to add other keys to this hash, see: man 5 terminfo
typeset -g -A key
key[Home]="${terminfo[khome]}"
key[End]="${terminfo[kend]}"
key[Insert]="${terminfo[kich1]}"
key[Backspace]="${terminfo[kbs]}"
key[Delete]="${terminfo[kdch1]}"
key[Up]="${terminfo[kcuu1]}"
key[Down]="${terminfo[kcud1]}"
key[Left]="${terminfo[kcub1]}"
key[Right]="${terminfo[kcuf1]}"
key[PageUp]="${terminfo[kpp]}"
key[PageDown]="${terminfo[knp]}"
key[Shift-Tab]="${terminfo[kcbt]}"
# setup key accordingly
[[ -n "${key[Home]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Home]}" beginning-of-line
[[ -n "${key[End]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[End]}" end-of-line
[[ -n "${key[Insert]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Insert]}" overwrite-mode
[[ -n "${key[Backspace]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Backspace]}" backward-delete-char
[[ -n "${key[Delete]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Delete]}" delete-char
[[ -n "${key[Up]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Up]}" up-line-or-history
[[ -n "${key[Down]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Down]}" down-line-or-history
[[ -n "${key[Left]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Left]}" backward-char
[[ -n "${key[Right]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Right]}" forward-char
[[ -n "${key[PageUp]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[PageUp]}" beginning-of-buffer-or-history
[[ -n "${key[PageDown]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[PageDown]}" end-of-buffer-or-history
[[ -n "${key[Shift-Tab]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Shift-Tab]}" reverse-menu-complete
# Finally, make sure the terminal is in application mode, when zle is
# active. Only then are the values from $terminfo valid.
if (( ${+terminfo[smkx]} && ${+terminfo[rmkx]} )); then
autoload -Uz add-zle-hook-widget
function zle_application_mode_start { echoti smkx }
function zle_application_mode_stop { echoti rmkx }
add-zle-hook-widget -Uz zle-line-init zle_application_mode_start
add-zle-hook-widget -Uz zle-line-finish zle_application_mode_stop
fi
# History - use current line up to cursor to search through history with arrow keys
autoload -Uz up-line-or-beginning-search down-line-or-beginning-search
zle -N up-line-or-beginning-search
zle -N down-line-or-beginning-search
[[ -n "${key[Up]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Up]}" up-line-or-beginning-search
[[ -n "${key[Down]}" ]] && bindkey -- "${key[Down]}" down-line-or-beginning-search
if you want to customise everything you can do that with .inputrc configuration in bash
Bash shell uses readline for this, which I would guess is the namesake of PSReadLine:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Readline
https://man.archlinux.org/man/readline.3#DEFAULT_KEY_BINDINGS