This meme seems… forced. (1) No one really asks that question, (2) the premise that only people in capitalist countries want communism is false, and (3) no Marxist worth their salt would answer this way.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

no Marxist worth their salt would answer this way.

how about a trotskyist? lol

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Trotskyists are worth their ice

[–] JelleWho@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We always say "the grass is always greener on the other side".

Communism things the same about capitalism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not really. There were some that felt that way in the later parts of the USSR, but the broad majority still supported socialism and wished to maintain it. In socialist countried today, they are overwhelmingly crirical of capitalism and supportive of socialism. Liberals exist in socialist countries, sure, but they aren't the mainstream.

[–] CHKMRK@programming.dev -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure about the USSR but in east Germany there are 2 camps: those who profited from the socialist system and are in full support, and those burned by the socialist government are some of the biggest anti-socialists I know

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

East Germany is especially complicated considering when the Berlin Wall fell the communists were all purged from their positions, many in show trials.

[–] mikodzi@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What with all of the communist related posts lately? I’m seeing lately this amount of memes and posts that I haven’t seen in last 10 years.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

The red flag revival

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Lemmy has a lot of us, the rejection of capitalist-owned media like Reddit plus the fact that the devs are communists draws a lot of us here.

[–] Xarwid@szmer.info -4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

That thought is so so shallow...

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago

a temporarily inconvenienced billionaire appears

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

As opposed to the very deep thought of "Oligarchy, genocide and climate extinction is the best we can do actually"

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah it’s nowhere near as deep as the galaxy brained “communism looks good on paper” schtick

[–] oculi@anarchist.nexus 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Communism is good on paper, but carl mark failed to consider "human nature" and personally killed 7,000 marxillion people 😰

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is that why he's named after German currency?! 🤔

[–] oculi@anarchist.nexus 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He claims to be "anti-capitalist", yet the Germans named their capitalist currency after him? Curious. 🧐

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

Checkmate mr mark

[+] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world -9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm no fan of the way democracy/capitalism is currently practiced but I've also never seen a successful communist country, are people just fascinated by the theory of communism, if it can't work in practice then how is it better than democracy / capitalism, we need a system that can defend against the worst of us, not some ideal system that only functions when everyone in it is expected to also be a good person, cause that's never gonna happen

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A few things, here:

Communist theory does work in practice.
Socialism/communism are democratic, and have been so historically and presebtly.
Socialism and communism don't care if everyone is a "good person." I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

Communist parties over socialist economies, like in the USSR, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, etc have all been dramatically successful in uplifting the lives of the working classes and democtatizing the economy. Communists support communism and socialism because of the effectiveness of these systems.

[–] Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Is USAmerica(worlds largest superpower) a successful capitalist country?
Is slavery and Eps stuff a success?
Success would need to be defined then, right?

And your notions on everyone having to be perfect seems to be wrong. The main basis of Communism is who owns the means of production and the level of development. The minority of the ultrawealthy in capitalism vs the majority of the regular people in communism.
Also, capitalist planning that focuses on profit and externalises social cost vs general planning that thinks about the 'externalised stuff'.

And if you want to go deeper into critiques of capitalism and why we need to plan beyond that, I think looking up aspects like the crisis of overproduction and the tendency of the falling rate of profit might be good.
Others here maybe better able to explain more on that.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How many communist countries have you seen?

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Probably not enough, care to share any countries I should look into

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Listen man, just look into the histories of countries that have had communist revolutions, look at what changed after, and look at why they failed. Often times they improved the lives of the working class, and then were destroyed by capitalist interests. There’s outliers like Cambodias Khmer Rouge and Romanias Chowchesku (I’m not going to even try spelling his name correctly) but you have to remember that history and context matter, and that communism is still just an ideology that has differing effects based on execution and the external forces putting pressure on these countries. It was called the Cold War, not the Cold Everybody Try Shit and we will see what works. Capitalist interests had already been deeply entrenched in world economics and power before communism began to take any meaningful positions of power during the Industrial Revolution, and all of these contexts, interests, and events matter.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The PRC is a good place to start, considering it's on track to becoming the world's most developed country and advanced socialist state.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 3 weeks ago

What? no! But Joe Rogan and the FBI told me China bad? But now you say China good?!?

[+] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de -7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Is that why they cheer on authoritarian/dictatorial communism... we just need one good man/woman/AI in power, and all our problems will be solved. Then they dust off their hands after their thought triggers a tiny dopamine response (thereby confirming its truth), and they feel inspired to post another meme or to downvote a few people silly enough to engage with them by calling them libs or billionaires. 🤣

We probably shouldn't feed them (and most definitely not after midnight...)

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Communists here cheer on socialist countries and communist parties partially because they've made massive strides in democratizing their economies, bringing it under the people's control. No socialist system in history has been so lopsided as to hinge entirely on one person, there are obviously leaders in socialist countries but they don't have the kind of omnipotence nor omnipresence your comment implies.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world -5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Some of the performative types def seem to be in it so they can call each other comrades and feel part of a niche in group

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 3 weeks ago

I engaged early on on Lemmy.ml out of curiosity. There is definitely interesting theory and history, and some genuinely learned folks lurking. Unfortunately, that is rarely what we get to see.