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[–] QuantumTickle@lemmy.zip 211 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If "everyone will be using AI" and it's not a bad thing, then these big companies should wear it as a badge of honor. The rest of us will buy accordingly.

[–] Devial@discuss.online 63 points 1 week ago (11 children)

If "everyone will be using AI", AI will turn to shit.

They can't create originality, they're only recycling and recontextualising existing information. But if you recycle and recontextualise the same information over and over again, it keeps degrading more and more.

It's ironic that the very people who advocate for AI everywhere, fail to realise just how dependent the quality of AI content is on having real, human generated content to input to train the model.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

“The people who advocate for AI” are literally running around claiming that AI is Jesus and it is sacrilege to stand against it.

And by literally, I mean Peter Thiel is giving talks actually claiming this. This is not an exaggeration, this is not hyperbole.

They are trying to recruit techno-cultists.

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[–] Carighan@piefed.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish they'd replace Tim Sweeney with AI. Would genuinely have better takes on most topics, too. Sigh.

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[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 154 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They don’t need to court developers, they need to court consumers. The games will be sold wherever people are buying.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 91 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Consumers have already decided mobile gambling slop is the most successful investment in the gaming industry. I don‘t trust consumers to know what‘s best for them.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think the studies showing how certain minds can be targeted and manipulated by dark gambling patterns made me think differently about gambling. I'm less likely to blame the victims now - in many ways it can be difficult or near-impossible for them to control those impulses. I’d at least like lootbox gambling slop to be regulated the same as casinos.

Look how popular fantasy sports is now. It’s basically just the casino industry seeking out new avenues to cheat the definition of “Playing odds to win cash”.

[–] Carighan@piefed.world 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah that shit is like selling heroine specifically to vulnerable people in depressing phases of their life. But wth gambling ads and dark patterns in video games we somehow accept it. 😕

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 week ago

Well yeah gambling is addicting, the mobile slop companies know that so they try to get people addicted to it. It’s really sad what’s happened to the mobile gaming space, as it’s so heavily dominated by gambling. Hell the entire world is being run over by gambling companies now. It’s a major problem that will have to be addressed at some point soon.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

consumers

This is very much a pet peeve, but be careful about how you use "consumer" versus "customer". They each imply completely different power dynamics.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's very much consumer these days, people buy literally anything marketed to them.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Then you should hold yourself to higher standards than "people".

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[–] moonshadow@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This guy thinks he's a "customer"

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Maybe some people, who are an ocean away from me, have been gaslit into thinking they can't be anything other than consumers. I know it can be difficult to grasp the concept, but you can refuse a service if the terms are unacceptable. It is possible to go into a transaction with open eyes and full knowledge of the rights granted to you by law and responsibilities demanded of you by the contract.

That's why I say "customer". It's a reminder to myself that I should demand equitable treatment, even if the chances are slim unless the courts get involved. You don't have to jump into the meat grinder willingly.

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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The reality is, that it’s often stated that generative AI is an inevitability, that regardless of how people feel about it, it’s going to happen and become ubiquitous in every facet of our lives.

That’s only true if it turns out to be worth it. If the cost of using it is lower than the alternative, and the market willing to buy it is the same. If the current cloud hosted tools cease to be massively subsidized, and consumers choose to avoid it, then it’s inevitably a historical footnote, like turbine powered cars, Web 3.0, and laser disk.

Those heavily invested in it, ether literally through shares of Nvidia, or figuratively through the potential to deskill and shift power away from skilled workers at their companies don’t want that to be a possibility, they need to prevent consumers from having a choice.

If it was an inevitability in it’s own right, if it was just as good and easily substitutable, why would they care about consumers knowing before they payed for it?

[–] U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 49 points 1 week ago

relevant article https://www.theringer.com/2025/11/04/tech/ai-bubble-burst-popping-explained-collapse-or-not-chatgpt

AI storytelling is an amalgam of several different narratives, including:

Inevitability: AI is the future; its eventual supremacy is both imminent and certain, and therefore anyone who doesn’t want to be left behind had better embrace the technology. See Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia, insisting earlier this year that every job in the world will be impacted by AI “immediately.”

Functionality: AI performs miracles, and the AI products that have been released to the public wildly outperform the products they aim to replace. To believe this requires us to ignore the evidence obtained with our own eyes and ears, which tells us in many cases that the products barely work at all, but it’s the premise of every TV ad you watch out of the corner of your eye during a sports telecast.

Grandiosity: The world will never be the same; AI will change everything. This is the biggest and most important story AI companies tell, and as with the other two narratives, big tech seems determined to repeat it so insistently that we come to believe it without looking for any evidence that it’s true.

As far as I can make out, the scheme is essentially: Keep the ship floating for as long as possible, keep inhaling as much capital as possible, and maybe the tech will get somewhere that justifies the absurd valuations, or maybe we’ll worm our way so far into the government that it’ll have to bail us out, or maybe some other paradigm-altering development will fall from the sky. And the way to keep the ship floating is to keep peddling the vision and to seem more confident that the dream is inevitable the less it appears to be coming true.

speaking for myself, MS can thank AI for being the thing that made me finally completely ditch windows after using it 30+ years

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Don’t forget, “Turns out it was a losing bet to back DEI and Trans people”.

This is something scared, pathetic, loser, feral, spineless, sociopathic, moronic fascists come up with to try to win a crowd larger than an elevator; Assume the outcome as a foregone conclusion and try to talk around it, or claim it’s already happened.

Respond directly. “What? That’s ridiculous. I’ve never even seen ANY AI that I liked. Who told you it was going to pervade everything?”

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 16 points 1 week ago

That reminds me how McDonald's and other gaat food chains are struggling. People figure it's too expensive for what you get after prices going up and quality going down for years. They forgot that people buy if the price and quality are good. Same with AI. It's all fun if it's free or dirt cheap, but people don't buy expensive slop.

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[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 57 points 1 week ago

Corporations are not our friends, even when they seem friendly, like Steam. However, they can be useful allies, so I'm glad to see this response from Steam.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

The ethics and utility (or lack thereof) of AI is an important discussion in it's own right. In terms of Steam though, I really don't think it's relevant. Players want the disclosures, that's it, that's all that should really matter. Am I missing some nuance here?

[–] borth@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

The nuance is that Tim doesn't give a shit what players want, him and his cronies don't want it because it's harder to convince someone to play AI slop when they know it's AI slop before they even try it 😂

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They want it? I don't know, the review score of Black Ops 7 begs to differ.

Personally I'll give money to a hard working indie dev that may use AI to help in their work spiradically over a big company shoving AI in everything to replace workers.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Perhaps they meant players want AI disclosures.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh yes that is what I meant. Edited for clarity.

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It might make players demand lower prices if some cheap AI slop is used in the game. That's the thing publishers want to avoid. They want to sell cheap slop for full price and pocket the difference. That's what it's about in the end.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I haven't really seen demands for lower prices on AI slop, but I've seen a lot of outright refusal to buy at any price, and returns when the disclosure came later.

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[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 week ago

It's all they had to say for me to continue ignoring Epic.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Consumers have a right to be informed of information relevant to them making purchasing decisions. AI is obviously relevant to the consumer and should be disclosed.

[–] who@feddit.org 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Calls to scrap" the disclosures make it sound like a societal movement, when in fact it's just two people with obvious bias: Tim Sweeney and some guy who promotes Tim Sweeney's products on youtube.

I don't give a flying frog what they think. When I allow someone to sell me something, I like to know what's in it.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm glad for those disclosures (because I'm not touching AI games), but tons of devs don't disclose their AI usage, even in obvious cases, leaving us to guessing :/

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[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Man I use AI a lot and I'm not even going to dispute that lol. It's absolutely true.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yah the more I use AI the more I can detect the absolute bullshit people on both sides spew.

It's the most amazingly complicated averaging machine we've ever invented. It will take the most interesting source materials, the most unique ideas of other people, the most creative materials, and it will find a way to find the safest, most average common qualities between those things. This isn't a model problem or input problem, it's fundamental to how generative AI works.

It helps with searching for things online, it helps create guide plans for taking on new tasks like learning some new skill. It's far better at teaching how to do something like coding than it is left to just code on its own and you copy and paste. It can certainly do that, but you spend so much time correcting it and fixing it that you do far better learning the code yourself and how it works.

Same with art, the people who are using it to best effect are themselves already artists and they use AI to thumbnail compositions or rough layouts, color tests and such, and then just do the work themselves but faster because they already know roughly what direction they're going.

But using it to write your scripts, to copy/paste code, to generate works of art... it's literally just giving you other people's ideas mashed together and unseasoned.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm not even opposed to AI in games. I'd love to see more granulated disclosures, but Steam-style disclosure should be the bare minimum.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Extremely common Valve W

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 12 points 1 week ago

Based Ayi Sanchez

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

....what calls? No one is calling for this. One dude said it was unnecessary. That's not a call, it's an opinion. He's not out picketing for the end of fucking AI labels.

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

We need laws passed where AI should have to be clearly labeled or the user faces severe fines. Robo calls and AI IVR phone systems should clearly tell you "this is AI".

[–] krakenx@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Use of AI should be disclosed the same way 3rd party DRM and EULA agreements are. And similarly it should mention some details. People are free to boycott Denuvo if they want, but people are also free to buy it anyways if they want. Disclosure is never a bad thing.

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Counters calls to scrap disclosures.. I don't follow

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Some douche nozzle from epic games said Stream needs to scrap their AI disclosure requirements because soon all games will be AI.

ETA Article link: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/epic-ceo-wants-valve-and-steam-to-stop-requiring-devs-to-disclose-generative-ai-usage

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago

It also confirms what we already thought: these f***bucket big studios already think of gaming as a cheap product to generate money, not as a piece of art and enjoyment in its own right.

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah it was hard to parse for me too

"valve ignores requests to remove ai disclosures"

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