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Western media and observable reality are now Russian propaganda
Lol its so clear that "Russian propaganda" just means "something i don't like" to you people.
Gimme one reliable source of the pic above... I never saw any "Ukraine + nazis = friends" shit outside of russian propaganda media.
Politico, the Atlantic Council, BBC, Haaretz, etc are shown.
From davel's compilation, again:
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that's why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
Gonna check that out later. Thanks for the links and material :)
If you want to find more just use Google advances search for "Ukraine far right" and use a time filter to show results pre 2022
Thank you too mate. thats a good way to help somebody to find his mistakes in his errors / wrong thoughts :)
Wait so Ukraine is bad too? Is one worse than the other??? What am I meant to think anymore????? Politics makes me feel like a Ping Pong Ball I hate it.
If you try to analyze politics in moral framing like "good vs evil," then you'll always be caught off guard. The people of Ukraine are largely not representative of the Banderite regime, in fact there are many deserters. There are citizens that uphold the Banderites, but it's not an overwhelming number like 80-90%. Generally, Marxists tend to critically support the Russian Federation over Kiev due to protecting the people of Donetsk and Luhansk, and because Kiev is being wielded like a hammer against Russia by the west in order to weaken both into opening up their markets for foreign plunder (like in the 90s).
Zoom in the the pic lol. Atlantic Council, politico, freedom house...all totally Russian outlets
Fuckin lazy
I think we both misunderstand each other, because your previous comment read like "If people dont like it, it has to be Russian propaganda" and I understood it the way that you meant it is not Russian propaganda.
Also I am on mobile and why should I take the time to read that shit? Whenever I see "Ukraine = nazis" its clear To me that its Propaganda shit.
Yeah i am lazy to proof people that they post bullshit online... Relevant xkcd
"I don't want to believe it, therefore its propaganda bullshit"
Jackoff motion
Not believing and having a discussion about misunderstanding are two different things ;)
Like I already said, you dont get what I am trying to say and I am okay with that, cause english is not my main language and there is no need to discuss with somebody who just use some phrases instead of trying to get on the same page to understand each other.
Take this comment for example: https://lemmy.ml/comment/23035625
This one is a good example for a good discussion and showing somebody where they went wrong. I mean I still can't believe it, but i cannot deny facts if they are shown of properly.
So if a country has far right parties and groups you invade the country and bomb civilian and critical infrastructure. That is collective punishment and should never be used.
So its chill to put far right parties that integrate fascist militias into their military into power and knowingly use the country as a proxy in order to maximize profits for the military industrial complex? And then get upset that another regional power that has been voicing their concern for two decades decides to do intervene militarily? That is imperialist and should never have happened in the first place.
Not what I said, but you can't just disregard the current suffering and loss of innocent created by this conflict. Doesn't look like an ideal solution, wouldn't you agree.
If that was intervention to 'free Donbas' it would stop at Donbas and would not include city and civilian infrastructure bombing, would it now?
Generally I agree, but this is war and real Politik kicks in. Thank the western leaders that provoked this to increase the MIC shareholder value. Also comparing this to Irak, or the western backed genocide in Palestine it's mild in comparison. It should definitely stop, but that depends if Zelensly is willing to give into Russias peace proposal
There were similar headlines about Americans at the time... and currently... does that make America a nazi country?
Easiest "yes" I've ever yessed
Did you bother reading any of the headlines before you started spinning or do you want to tell everyone what nazi the US has designated a national holiday for?
Either way the answer is yes the US is a nazi country
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
The Association of German National Jews (German: Verband nationaldeutscher Juden, VnJ) was an assimilationist and nationalist German Jewish organization which was formed during the early years of the rule of the Weimar Republic and during the early years of the rule of Nazi Germany, that eventually came out in support of Adolf Hitler.
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Forgot to add the word reliable... I am on mobile sorry... Also why should I zoom into fake news?
They're major western media outlets dumbass
In a time of ai, every picture can be a fake dumbass :P
One Person was so Kind and already posted the links.
And yeah posting pic a without sources has some serious "covid isn't real, look at all these reliable pictures I have" dumbass ;)
Edit: if you take your time to offend some strangers on the internet while you try to prove your point, you should be better prepared than that.
Lol there it is, if I don't like the source it must be ai. The final frontier in denying what's right in front of your face
I didn't said I dont like it. I said that if you shoe me a stupid collab picture, give me clear sources. Being sceptical is healthy . Getting facts like this comment shows is also a better way.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/23035625
Backs up their claims, showing me that the images are not some random Photoshop / ai bullshit.
Or did you forgot all the assholes out there who said "covid isn't real" and just showed some stupid images which they stated as a a fact?
Search the headlines then, lazy boy. Stop demanding to be spoonfed everything like a baby
Yeah yeah... And vaccination cause autism, just google it... Covid wasn't real, just google it....
Were those things that mainstream western media outlets were saying? Can i find fucking BBC atticles about how covid isn’t real? Jesus christ, your excuses to avoid the dissonance of confronting information you don't want to see are getting so pathetic that we've reached "lies exist about thing A, therefore you and every mainstream media source must be lying about thing B." This is conspiracy theorist behavior, dude. Search the fucking articles or shut up and go back to the schoolyard where inventing your own reality is acceptable.
I repeat what I said earlier: if you dont understand somebody ask again instead of insinuate what you think they meant...
the "spoon fed argument" is a default argument if you try tell people "I dont wanna give sources to anything because I am right"
And as I already said in my previous comment:
https://lemmy.ml/comment/23035625
Gave me sources and all the infos I am asked for. If somebody send me a picture about "news" without sources its not my task to check if those pics are fake or not.
You apparently don't think it's your responsibility to do, verify or think about anything at all. Good luck living that way.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/23035625
Good example to show people the right way why and how they are wrong ;)
disgusting entitlement towards being treated with good faith while being a scumbag piece of shit bad faith troll themselves
;)
should catch a ban
You're welcome!
Politico, the Atlantic Councill, BBC, etc are shown. Articles for some of these and others linked here.