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I don't totally get it (other than the anarchism ❤️🖤), but hell yeah more Piefeds!
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!soulism@multiverse.soulism.net
I don't totally get it (other than the anarchism ❤️🖤), but hell yeah more Piefeds!
If you want to learn about soulism, feel free to make a post in the community with any questions. Even if they're "what the fuck" and "why", we like those questions.
WTH is a “soulist”?
An anarchist who views natural laws as unjust hierarchies. Most of our community is on Discord, but we have a few mostly abandoned subreddits and some local action groups. Now we also have a federated forum.
So gravity is something you consider unjust?
Yes. Gravity does not ask one's consent before pulling. If one has arthritis or chronic fatigue, gravity will hurt them. I believe in building technology to challenge the dominance of this law, such as wheelchairs, fitness programs, and science fiction antigravity machines.
This feels like satire, ngl
I don't think Gravity is the hierarchy preventing arthritis patients from getting medical care
Yes. Gravity does not ask one’s consent before pulling.
Lol you lost me here.
What about oxygen? We're enslaved by it. We can't escape it. What are you guys doing about it?
Not much. Oxygen is much lower on the list of priorities than capitalism and pluralphobia.
You technically answered my question, but that verges in strawman territory, man. I was talking about the absurdity of considering gravity a form of human oppression. Can you tell me why I shouldn't see it as absurd, given that it's a natural, inescapable law?
I don't really care whether you see gravity as inescapable (though I'm glad the Wright brothers didn't), but there are other "natural, inescapable laws" that are completely fake, and some people cause a lot of harm by attacking those who break them. And so I want you to be open to the concept of people accomplishing the impossible, so that you won't be one of those people.
For example, gender essentialists claim that sex is a "natural, inescapable law". And that makes them transphobic. Species essentialists claim that species is a "natural, inescapable law", and not just a convenient social construct biologists use to make their jobs easier. And that makes them kinphobic.
I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.
Interesting. It sounds like soulism is very similar to anarcho-transhumanism, but with a spiritual component, is that correct?
Many soulists believe in two different branches of soulist thought: scientific soulism and spiritual soulism. I disagree, I think magic is a science and spirituality can be a technology. But there are soulists who reject spiritual means of changing our perceptions, and there are spiritual soulists who do not use the scientific method. So to answer your question: sometimes.
So you don't believe that people have a right to not be murdered?
I skimmed the manifesto because I felt like I was about to waste my time. Since reality is to be rejected, the only thing that matters is your perception, which you should subjugate to your will in order to.... well that's what the manifesto doesn't really answer. At least not satisfyingly.
Their objective is to spread kindness, so subjugate your perception to your will, in order to be more kind to others. An example was rejecting your perception of gender in order to be more kind to trans folks. It was a lot of words to basically say "change your views to accommodate other people's feelings abd make them more comfortable.
But finally, from my understanding of this ideology, yes, murdering others is okay, you can simply reject your perception of their rights. Hope that helps!
The manifesto fails to define any sort of metric of what is considered "kind" or "moral" (doing so would require a reality). But they do define "magic", and then declare that money isn't real, thus commerce is magic.
EDIT: The manifesto is kind of a ramble, hard to follow and doesn't even answer the question of what the hell this philosophy wants from me. Usually a philosophy implies an MO I can adhere to, but this one doesn't really do that. It lists examples of how this philosophy helps queer, trans and neurodivergent folks, but doesn't explain how. Just that it's possible. It doesn't explain why I would want to do that.
I'm not a soulist like the user you replied to, but for another perspective, mine is that rights are imaginary constructs which mean nothing if unenforceable.
People have some rights to not be murdered; that's not an opinion if we have a compatible definition of 'rights', it's written in law, it's ingrained into mainstream liberalist social norms and ethics. So the right exists as a social idea which sometimes manifests in real consequences. However:
all of these anarchist flavors are a form of relativism where all that matters is people's individual feelings.
it's a form of solipsism when you start asking questions about it.
and when you draw it out, it inevitable leads to consequences that totally contradict it's tenants. but anarchists... don't do that... they just feel the feelings, man.
anarchism is great if you never think, but some flavors of it regard thinking as an undue burden foist upon people by a unjust society.... hence why you are getting these absurd answer about how gravity is unjust and cruel. I suppose they also regard having to eat/drink/breathe as injustices that 'society' forces upon us.
My experience with anarchists, limted though it is, their hearts are in the right place, they know what sides they are not on, but do not neccessarily know a lot outside of their doctrine. But they will fight.
So better than most all. Knowing what side you are NOT on is becoming rarer.
most people don't care about sides. they just care about money.
and rightfully so. your theory or political stance can't buy you food or a car or other basic necessities.
That is true. They would care about sides if there was a good side that fought against them being taken advantage of. People try to win rural, red areas being conservative light. They need new dealist. Too late now maybe.
they call any new deal type thinking 'populism' and lump it in with Trump.
the 'new deal' rural areas are getting is shitty Data centers fucking up their landscapes and giving them zero jobs.
Yep, dem establishment's raison de etre is not beating republicans but quashing popular reform, then extracting money from their and for their donor patrons.
It is dumbass logic. They call the far right populist. The far right are pieces of shit. Therefore populists are bad.
In a country that chooses leaders with popular votes. Truth is dumber than fiction this is the argument influence ops and sheep will endlessly yell you down with.
The far right are fake popular anyway. They scspegoat, or promist to fix issues they want to make worse. Although a handful lile mtg actually believe the hype bless them.
Everyone knows they are getting screwed if not by whom. We all know they do not know better, and or refuse to continually endorse an ever worsening party whose only selling point is the other guy is worse.
Facing an existential threat in nazis, they figured to stick to the anti popular plan. And STILL do. I am sick of trying to argue it. The not voting people were right all along, it was all pointless. I still want to try, but under these dems there is no chance.
Caring about money is taking a side though
nobody doesn't care about money. anyone who says they don't is a liar and are usually the people who are the most easily bought.
You must care about money in a capitalist world, of course; the real question is do you want money to matter all the time or not
it doesn't matter what you want, society dictates the rules.
unless you go off the grid or something. then you can go make your perfect society, because there won't be one.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Hmm looks like setting local as the default homepage view doesn't work. I'll sort that out.
Might it be because we only have two local posts so far?
I want an instance that does not ban anyone or any group. I do not want administrators to protect me from others, or to censor me if I disagree with the group.
Because the group is way off base on a lot of shit, you better believe it. If it was not we would not be losing.
We all trust the wrong people, if not the worst people.
Not even Nazis or paedophiles?
I do not believe the founding principles of MULTIVERSE are representative of the mainstream left, but you're welcome to avoid our instance and users if you choose.
I reject directionalism, I do not give a shit what you or anyone else thinks is left or right. Measured from the colon of billionaires the only direction we need to go is straight backwards.
Unilaterally banning groups just echo chambers everyone more, and you give them plenty of ammo constructing insufferable super sensitive overly politically correct charactitures.
Going against bilionaires is going pretty left though
Some moderation is important today. I agree with your idealism, but let's face it. Any unmoderated space would sooner rather than later be run to the ground by a swarm of AI bots, psyop agents, spammers and trolls.
Long gone are the days of pristine, unguarded forums.
Yes mechanized troll legions, now entirely autonomous trollbots. You have to ban som users I am sure.
For the fediverse to take off, it needs to be better than reddit, and to thst end, instances should adopt a clear set of rules, where violations can be appealed all the way to a jury of users.
Because powerful interests have their hooks in reddit and induce them to violate users on other issues that are not even ahainst the rules, . Argue with some israeli trollcheerers and you will soon see what I mean. It will only get worse, we can safely presume the government is and will be moreso giving users to ban. Perhaps mostly through contractors to avoid another homeland security leak.
Whole instances should not be banned or blocked to everyone in the instance either.
I guess we don't disagree, then.
great news. love to the swarm