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I’m on board that we need to become independent from big tech. As someone who is fond of the Mac user experience, from choosing hardware to how you navigate through apps, I need a guide to make the switch, so if you know of any great guides for Mac users, I’d greatly appreciate it!

Edit: you have all been very useful. I now know a bit more how to start and what it would mean to switch!

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[–] PointyFluff@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

real mice have more than 2 buttons.

[–] atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I don’t use a mouse

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Try and avoid the XY problem. I.e. "how do I do X with Y?"

You're coming from macOS and a lot of idiomatic things will be different. Find the idiomatic ways to do (whatever) on the distribution your using.

Also, have fun, be reckless, ruin the system, reinstall try again...

[–] atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Just would be nice to avoid the pain of spending weeks setting everything up only to find out later that someone essential for me doesn’t work. I guess just part of the process

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ignore people telling you you have to use GNOME. Use whatever looks good to you. I actually have a KDE Plasma desktop with a Mac-like layout. The DE doesn't matter much though.

[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 14 points 1 week ago

The Mac themes on KDE are pretty great, and so is the customizability. KDE makes things very easy to tweak until you like it. GNOME does not.

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

I went from Mac to Linux and use Plasma because I really can't get on with GNOME. People go on like its 1:1 to macOS, but it really isn't. GNOME feels so much more restrictive to me.

[–] French75@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fully agree that the DE doesn't matter much. I've used KDE and XFCE the most over the years, and cinnamon, gnome, and even enlightenment a bit over the years. I was never a big fan of gnome, however I recently got a 2in1 laptop, and after a few days of tinkering... I think gnome is a bit better for that kind of interaction than than the others.

There are things to like and dislike with all of them I'd say.

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[–] Damage@feddit.it 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Assuming you don't know anything about Linux desktop or server:

  • Be patient.
  • Linux has Desktop Environments, for short "DE" like GNOME and KDE, whose purpose is to provide a graphical interface and useful utilities.
  • Software on Linux is mostly installed through package managers, so you don't search the web for an installer, you search the web if you need to figure out what software you want to install (alternativeto.net is a good place to start if you already know a similar software), then you install it through your package manager. Some applications won't be in your distro's repository, you may want to try installing a flatpak, on KDE you use Discover for that, on GNOME you use GNOME Software. As a last resort you can use AppImages, those are downloaded from the web, ideally from the developer's GitHub or whatever.
  • Linux has excellent hardware support but it's a good idea to do a web search when you're buying new hardware, especially peripherals; manufacturers often don't write drivers for Linux, so the community has to pick up the slack, usually it's no problem, but sometimes it is.
  • Linux users can be very opinionated.... Think with your own head, only you truly understand your needs.
  • The terminal can be scary but it's very useful. Once you're settled in, try to learn a bit about it.
  • Conditional on the previous point: if you have more than one computer, learning ssh can be very useful to control one from the other, exchange small files, etc.
  • ssh and rsync especially are excellent for transferring files safely and without errors, but they're encrypted, so they have overhead. File shares on Linux are mostly NFS, which is complicated and not widespread, or Samba (SMB/CIFS), which is Microsoft's protocol reimplemented, this one is easier and usually integrated in DEs, but it has caveats sometimes, so maybe try to set one up before you need it, it's not fun to deal with in a hurry.
  • Most DEs have system managers to check resource usage and processes (programs), but most people prefer to use terminal utilities like htop, or more recently, the snazzy btop, they can be installed through your package manager.
  • Linux doesn't have drive letters, it has a file structure that starts at "/", different mass storage devices can be mounted in arbitrary locations in this structure. For example your personal files will be under /home/yourusername, this could be the same partition as everything else, or it could be a separate one, or a separate drive. If you have a non-removable drive where you store only let's say Games, you could very well "mount" it under /home/yourusername/Games. This is very useful in some cases, and something that Windows I think implemented but still doesn't use. Removable drives are usually mounted by the DE and end up in /var/run/media or whatever.
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Linux doesn't have drive letters

MacOS is largely compatible with FreeBSD under the hood, with some minor path differences and a different init system, so...

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gnome Desktop will be the most familiar UI and workflow for you. Other than that, just take note of your existing software stack, and check to see which will also have Linux builds to install.

[–] madnificent@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Really depends on what is considered nice about MacOS. Just had a new on-boarding with someone who really liked their Mac keybindings and it seems getting those dialed in is nicer (easier? better?) on KDE. I'd also generally gravitate towards Gnome for Mac users though.

As a piece of advice for OP: Accept the use of keybindings over the touchpad. Mac has done a great job and I have not seen a Linux laptop/distro combination that nails it. Search for the pain-points after switching and ask about it (kindly) on a community like this.

[–] NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

For keybinds, there is the project Toshy which redirects keys to emulate Mac bindings. It has some issues but works pretty well in my experience

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

You must be using some junk touchpads then. I have two that work just as they would on a Mac. No issues.

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[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I’m a long term Mac user and have been periodically playing with Linux because I want to fully switch eventually. (full disclosure I currently still have a MacBook I use as well as a Linux desktop)

I’ve tried Ubuntu, Debian, Elementary, and probably a few others I’ve forgotten, but the first one I’ve really felt is a viable daily driver OS is Bazzite. This is because it largely just works out of the box, such that you only need to install and tweak extra things if you really want to.

I strongly recommend Bazzite, and I personally prefer the Gnome variant.

Bazzite gives you:

  • easy way to update everything in one place
  • “App Store” like application to find most apps you’ll need
  • all the basic drivers and utilities you’ll need out of the box
  • a “Files” application that feels like Finder
  • a “Document Viewer” application that feels like Preview (although it’s not as powerful)
  • a quick search feature that’s a lot like Apple’s Spotlight, and honestly is way more reliable than Spotlight in more recent macOS releases
  • multitouch trackpad gesture support out of the box
  • a Settings app that is pretty straightforward to navigate and controls most of the things you would care about
  • There are other settings apps for finer tweaking. I know that sounds confusing, but Linux people wouldn’t complain if it wasn’t possible to change every detail somehow. Bazzite does a good job of making the important stuff accessible in the main settings app IMO, so you generally don’t have to worry about the deeper options.

Here’s a guide to get you started:

  1. Go here: https://bazzite.gg/
  2. Fill out the dropdowns (Q: What hardware are you using? A: Desktop, Q: Who is the vendor of your primary GPU? A: this depends, it’s important to get it right, ask for help if you are unsure, Q: What desktop environment do you prefer? A: I recommend gnome, but KDE is great too, Q: Do you want Steam Gaming Mode? A: No, I want a traditional desktop experience)
  3. Click the “download Bazzite …” button
  4. Make a USB stick into a bootable Bazzite installer (I recommend using https://etcher.balena.io/)
  5. Boot your computer from the USB stick. How to do this depends on the motherboard, but generally means holding down a key while booting (on a Mac it’s Option, on other computers it’s often something like Del or F2 or F12 or something) This will bring you to a menu that you navigate with keyboard arrows until you find the option to boot from the USB
  6. Follow the steps from the installer. It’s pretty user friendly.

Note that this will delete all data in the USB you use and the drive you install Bazzite on

Once you have installed Bazzite, here are a few programs I’d recommend (these can be found in the “Bazaar”, which is an “App Store” like way to get programs.

  • VLC (like QuickTime in macOS, but honestly VLC is way more powerful)
  • LibreOffice (there are a couple FOSS Office suite options, this is the one I personally recommend)
  • KdenLive (video editing - like iMovie or Final Cut)
  • GIMP (like Adobe Photoshop)
  • Disk Usage Analyzer (like DaisyDisk on Mac), if you’ve ever used that
  • Mailspring (I haven’t found an email app that is quite as nice as Apple’s but Mailspring is the one I’m currently using)

If you have any other questions let me know! I’m happy to help.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 4 points 1 week ago

Bazzite mostly just works in good part because it's based on Fedora, which mostly just works.

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[–] SrMono@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

For a nice experience I would start with elementary OS or Linux mint.

The first will please your aesthetic from the get go.

[–] atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I hear a lot of people say stuff like that “start with”. But is it so easy to switch of you picked one? Like don’t you have to get all your files in an external drive and delete a full computer before you can reinstall a different disto?

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes. But you don't have to switch.

People say "start" with simpler distros because if you go past just using it as-is, and grow to understand linux closer to the system level, you'll likely eventually end up preferring something more complex.

There's little point to starting at the deep end, like arch, since you don't know whether you'll end up staying in the shallows yet. Either way, it's the start. It can also be the end, but that is unknowable.

[–] fogrye@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

If you seek that kind of advice don’t better don’t format your drive with all of your data. Try installing distro of your choice on some old hardware you have and use it occasionally and understand if linux in general and specific distro in particular is what you want.

[–] SrMono@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

For a start you would have a bootable pen drive, just to take a look around. If a certain distro doesn't suit you, don't install it. After installation, the hurdles get bigger, just as you say.

The two mentioned distros are already tailored towards easy use, but there are many ways to skin the cat. The distributions work with different desktop managers, each with different philosophies. On some distro you can choose or change the desktop manager afterwards (and potentially break your system).

Take the popular cachyOS. Its most useable desktop manager is KDE Plasma, but it has support for a several others (17). Some better, some worse.

Here a tier list of desktop environments showing some desktop manager und Debian 13.

EDIT: Keep in mind, that you can further customize and tailor desktop environments to your needs.

[–] timroerstroem@feddit.dk 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You would have to do that, yes. In all likelihood, you'll be fine with just picking a distro. As the Señor says, elementary has a Mac-like aesthetic.

I have no experience with that distro myself, but I'd imagine that it allows running a live environment directly from the USB, that will let you test it without installing so you can see if everything that you need to work will work, and also whether you actually like it (running a live environment from a USB will be slower than if you had it installed, so don't base your "liking it" off of that).

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It's not so much just an aesthetic, you can make KDE and even GNOME look much more like MacOS than eOS will and KDE can even to an extent act like Finder (GNOME not so much, they're too ideologically different)

But Pantheon is designed to act like Finder. (whilst trying to not infringe on Apple's designs) It's the closest thing functionally to the modern Finder outside OpenSTEP.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The thing is, when you reach that point, you'll be doing that because you want to. The reason it's "starts with" is because your desire to try that next distro now that you get the fundamentals will be greater than your distain for doing a backup and wipe.

This is as much of an assurance as it is a warning.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Many distros you don't even have to do anything but install packages to switch desktop environments, which are really what people are recommending when they're trying to say what is similar to mac

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[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

don’t you have to get all your files in an external drive and delete a full computer before you can reinstall a different disto?

Note that you can have a separate partition for the /home directory, under which your user directory is located. Then you could wipe just the system partition and install a new distro there, keeping /home as it is. But this requires some basic knowledge of partitions and a little attention during setup. In any case, having a backup is always recommended, especially when dealing with operations that can delete all your data.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

as a mac & linux user since 2002 and i had a time machine to do it all over again but correctly this time; i would go with a linux first vendor like system76 or tuxedo or any other vendor that uses 100% open source hard/software. (ie coreboot/libreboot).

linux can work on almost all hardware (including mac) but you're mileage is going to vary a lot and only the linux first vendors can give you an experience that rivals mac and windows.

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[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are a lot of differences and a lot of similarities between the operating systems here. It will take you time to get used to no matter what you do. Start by swapping your apps on your existing Mac, trade out any apps that you know won't work on Linux with apps that do. That way, you spend some time in your existing environment with the new apps you're going to need going forward.

Next, make sure to test out your peripherals in a live environment. Does everything you use with your computer work correctly? If not, find out why. See if you can mitigate it, or if you'll need to replace stuff.

Finally, be willing to experiment. I know others in this thread will recommend various desktop environments and distributions to you. Try many of them. GNOME is good and simple out of the box, feels kinda mac-like, but if you want to completely replicate the functionality of macOS, KDE Plasma has more options for that like global menus and the file management app (Dolphin) is incredibly extensible and customizable.

Try to have fun with it, and don't give up. It takes time to learn a new way of working, and you will likely have frustrations along the way, but ultimately the goal is to learn and figure out what works best for your needs.

[–] atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This is really good advice thank you! Someone mentioned using a usb to test. How can I test? It seems like quite a hassle to set it all up just to find out it’s not my thing.

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 1 points 6 days ago

If you're on a Mac, you can likely use an app called "Balena Etcher" to create a bootable Linux USB... if it's an Intel mac, you can just boot that right up by holding option at boot-time. If you're on an Apple Silicon Mac, you are not going to be able to boot most Linux distros there. If you're on PC, you can usually stick the flash drive in and mash F12 at boot-time to get into a menu, select the USB stick, and then it'll boot you into a "live environment" to test with. That way you can just poke around and see if you like it. Almost all distributions come with a live environment by default.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Look into a distro that you might like, and find a "live usb" of it, often it is the installation media itself. How it works is basically it is a linux already installed on a disk image you transfer to the usb, and tell the computer to boot from it. Instructions on all this usually comes with the live usb media. Then you usually get a "try it out" or "install" option, or it just leaves you at a pre-configured desktop. Click around, install stuff, browse the web, get a feel for it.

[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

~~Here's a quick how to from Learn Linux TV~~

Wait a minute. Are you wanting to get a different computer? Or boot Linux on your Mac?

[–] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

You should probably start by listing the programs you need. Everything else such as gaming/customization is distro specific.

[–] bestbry@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Appreciate what you are doing. You made the right choice

[–] HexagonSun@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Some very good advice here already so I’ll be brief.

Here are some random things that spring to mind as being of note as someone who hasn’t switched exactly, but has used Macs since 1995 and uses Linux alongside macOS.

  • Gnome will be the most familiar on day 1, BUT. It’s amazing how quickly that won’t matter anymore when you’re learning what’s what. I started on Gnome and avoided KDE Plasma, which everyone said was more like Windows - and still ended up liking KDE Plasma the most. Both aesthetically and in terms of how easy it is to adjust anything that might not be quite right.

  • Avoid XFCE if you have a high resolution display, and you’re installing Linux on an old Mac. Customising XFCE to scale things correctly for high resolution is stuff you just don’t want to be messing with as a new Linux user.

  • Avoid X11 and use Wayland (which will be fine if you use KDE or Gnome). X11 was very confusing to me as a Mac user, as certain changes require a reboot. As above, this is just an extra level of complexity you don’t need if you’re used to Macs. On Wayland if you change the visual scale of the interface or cursor size, it just changes then and there. On X11 you’ll be wondering why certain things don’t seem to be changing…

  • On macOS you install apps generally by drag and drop. On Linux, whilst this isn’t actually true when you know what you’re doing, it’s as if you only have the App Store. It might have different names on different distros or DEs, but fundamentally you’re going to have a single repository that all your apps and updates are coming from.

  • Firefox has a hidden menu bar and you have to push alt to bring it up.

  • Apart from swapping ctrl and cmd many keyboard commands will be familiar.

  • It’s ultimately up to you how familiar you want to get with the terminal. Some distros you could genuinely ignore its existence. Others would expect you to use it at times and not supply certain GUI tools for certain things.

  • People are probably right that Linux Mint is the best place to start. You almost certainly will want to switch just to see what else is out there at some point, it’s just how things go. I use KDE Plasma on Debian now. But there’s nothing Mint is lacking or doesn’t have. Ultimately the only reason I’m not still using Mint is because of wanting to use Plasma, which is doable on Mint if anyone wanted to, but not officially supported.

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Depending on how all-in on the Apple you are, there will be a few main sticking points for you.

1: Gestures If you use a trackpad, you're going to have to adjust to a more limited set of gesture commands. The same with button mapping on a mouse. You'll almost certainly need to learn new ways to move around your desktops.

2: PDFs Preview is a godsend to Mac users. Preview does everything bar editing PDFs. You will no longer have Preview. You'll need to find three or four applications that replicate its features. And all of them will feel a bit lacking in comparison.

3: Apple Music Apple don't believe in Linux, so if you use AM and wish to continue listening to lossless on your computer, you're going to have to either use WinBoat to run a Windows VM into which you can install AM, or you're going to need to use Waydroid in order to run the Android version of the AM app. Neither is great, but both (mostly) work.

But ultimately it is worth it. I use my Mac much less than I used to, and my iPad almost not at all now.

[–] atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is really useful. I don’t use Apple Music, but the gestures and preview do sound like something to get used to. Why is there no third party preview? Seems like a pretty basic program to have.

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[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

For someone coming from Mac you might find Pop OS more familiar.

[–] glitching@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

dude, you need to narrow your query way, waaay down. are you ditching the mac and getting a PC? are you gonna rock them side by side until you transition? desktop? gaming? laptop? converting an existing macbook to linux? which one? intel? pre-T2, post? which wifi? what's your daily software stack you depend on?

all the listed things are possible, some easier, some less so, but, respectfully, nobody's gonna write up an all-cases guide for your lazy ass. so, hop to it, state your use case and ping back.

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[–] tvcvt@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I landed on KDE and I don’t worry about it matching my Mac desktop, though you certainly could. The thing I miss most is the Finder, oddly. There’s not much in Linux world that gives Miller columns, unfortunately.

I’ll mention that if you like your Mac keyboard, or just want to keep using the familiar shortcuts, check out Toshy. It remaps the keys so that command still does what you expect it to do.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

I grew up using macos, still use it on my work laptop, and use elementary os on my home machine. For the most part, it's great. I like

  • The intuitive UX and the clean, consistent and beautiful UI
  • Good default apps and settings
  • Flatpak out of the box, no snap bullshit.
  • Generally you can get away with quite a bit without resorting to the terminal

Unfortuntalely, there are a few big issues with it, mostly due to the small number of developers

  • Updating the OS to a new major version (that they release every 1-2 years) is a hassle, there is no direct way to do distro-update like on ubuntu for example
  • The mail and calendar apps don't support Oauth, and by now, google doesn't seem to support password+IMAP anymore. So no google calendar or mail integration. Also a hassle to set up anything that uses Oauth by default.

If those aren't dealbreakers, I can recommend eos. But do check out the other options as well.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

To add to all the other answers about what to use and whatnot: try a few distros and desktops out by putting them on a flash drive and booting from the flash drive (this is the same process for typical installations)

Distro, or who the linux based OS is built, updated, and distributed by, mostly matters long term, but something that will keep working and be stable (in the colloquial sense, not technical sense like for servers), and that has a friendly and welcoming community, are definitely things to look for. Mint and ubuntu both have stellar reputations in both of these regards, though many folks (including me) have issues with decisions being made by the ubuntu folks these days. Fedora is pretty stable but has less of a big community with support for new people, and manjaro has a lot of newer users and is built around serving newer linux users, but the project is sometimes run in an awkward way that can cause issues if you're not choosing to manage your packages with intentionality (thats what I hear anyway). Debian is rock solid, and I dont know much about the community, but the versions of software available in the repos may be old unless you're installing a flatpak

Keep in mind, not all distros will support every desktop, so you may find your chosen desktop isnt available on the distro you find most interesting. You can theoretically install whatever desktop on whatever distro, but as a new user I dont reccomend doing this.

Definitely try out a few different desktops. "Desktop environments" are bundles of software that make up the desktop graphical user interface, and will make a big difference in the look and feel, and general user experience that you have on linux. There are a bunch of options- the two biggest projects are GNOME and Kde plasma. Gnome has a reputation for being more mac-like out of the box and has very specific workflows and usage patterns, and kde, more windows like and flexible to what the user wants. But both are customizable. Kde has lots of built in settings and options, gnome offers very few, but supports user made extensions that change the desktops look and behavior. Give both a try and try out the customizations for each (play with kde settings, see if you can make it more what you want. Install some gnome extensions, see what the options look like). Cinnamon is another desktop thats very windows-like but has a great user experience. Xfce is a well run project but predominantly aimed at being lightweight so it runs well on older hardware, you're less likely to be in its target demographic

[–] redditmademedoit@piefed.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If you're like me, a long time Mac user with a lot of time spent in Windows for work, I think it's really pain free to switch.

I chose Debian -- the distro for boring people. Supposedly, it's the best for stability and compatibility, not the best for cutting edge applications and perhaps slow to get some drivers and what not. Often people suggest alternatives like Mint as user friendly. However, I haven't had a single problem with Debian in terms of compatibility or usability.

For the "Desktop Environment" (DE) -- that which impacts the most whether the system feels more or less like MacOS -- I use the bundled KDE Plasma without modifications. Like on Windows, the most used keyboard shortcuts, by default use Ctrl instead of CMD. If you're at all used to Windows it will take you no time to adjust -- otherwise it may take some rewiring of the brain or rebinding keys. The stock file manager in KDE is nowhere as nice as Finder, but also trivial to adapt to. Overall, KDE Plasma does not really mimic the feel of MacOS at all, but I consider that a pro -- it means that I don't end up frustrated assuming something will working the same way when it doesn't.

I have never been big on using the official App Store on MacOS, but if you are, that's going to be an adjustment. Each system comes with something similar to the App Store, but they generally don't come with the same range of apps (e.g. Debian/KDE has an app called Discover which has a really narrow range of apps). However, as you're stated goal is to break free from big tech, getting to know the different ways of installing apps will be a rewarding experience (and rather straight forward, most of the time).

Speaking about apps, I think one of the pains you should prepare yourself for if you decide to stick mostly with apps that are "Free Open-Source Software" (FOSS), the degree of polish -- particularly in terms of investment in GUI/UX -- will generally be considerably lower than many paid apps you might be used to, particularly premium Apple apps (e.g. Final Cut).

As for hardware, I don't really have any valuable pointers. I think losing out on the great synergies between Apple's excellently built hardware and very optimized software is a big trade off. But depending on what you're gunning for, you will have a lot more options and potentially at a better price/performance point.

[–] fakasad68@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

typo, i think it's desktop environment not desktop engine

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From a Linux beginner: I switched from mac with 0 knowledge of Linux. Did some searching, found Ubuntu Budgie, haven't switched since. I bring it up cuz I was specifically looking for something that looked Mac similar, and it came up. It's not as Mac as I originally thought, but I find it pretty approachable so I figured I'd share.

I think some more advanced users have issues with Ubuntu, I'll leave them to comment. There may also be better options for Mac feel, perhaps those mentioned. For me, this was Mac enough I haven't switched away and I haven't gone back. Happy searching! :)

[–] timmytbt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

I’d also recommend installing UTM on your Mac and paying string with different distros in a virtual environment.

I’d recommend Fedora KDE Plasma.

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