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[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If we agreed the market can't self regulate, why would the state be able to?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 minutes ago

Not sure I understand the point, states and markets are entirely different things, especially a state run by the working class whose goal is to collectivize all production and distribution, erasing the basis of class struggle and therefore the oppressive elements of government that make up the state.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Also to the liberals pearl clutching about "but we need democracy!" not realizing that's what that quote means.

The proletariat is, pretty much by definition, the VAST majority of the people in a society, by far the largest group. The commoners like you and me, working in order to make a living.

Dictatorship can mean what you think it means in that context. Ruling a country by the will of some dictator.

If the proletariat is the dictator, it means ruling a country by the will of the vast majority of the people. That's what democracy is. We can further discuss implementations of it and how well they work (hint: Western democracy works very poorly and is very undemocratic in practice, as you've definitely experienced), but the general concept described by "dictatorship of the proletariat" is democracy.

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Can’t tell if this is meant as a jab at Anarchists or Communists.

The Anarchist doesn’t want there to be a centralized hierarchy since it gives people absolute power over their fellow men, so they’re asking like “what part of DICTATORSHIP do you not understand?”

The Communist is asking “what part of dictatorship of the PROLETARIAT do you not understand?” Because they think the society Anarchists want is a form of a dictatorship-of-the-proletariat.

[–] fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

That's what makes it a fun meme!

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The end goal, where you dissolve the state, and thus the dictatorship.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The state is a result of class struggle, so to end states once and for all you need to achieve classless society, eliminating the basis of the state. That means collectivizing all production and distribution globally, into one system. Once this is done, there are no classes in contention, and as such the oppressive elements of society used to keep the proletariat on top will gradually disappear and "wither," being reduced in function and scope until only what's necessary remains, like administration.

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 points 41 minutes ago

It sounds like anarchist and communists should be allies.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 hour ago

AKA communism?