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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Linux phones look more and more attractive

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 4 points 50 minutes ago

So basically they wanna be Apple.

[–] NoblityAbility@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

Hopefully there will be decentralized options to this issue

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 36 minutes ago (1 children)

In the meantime port linux OSs to be easilly installable on Android devices

[–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 points 30 minutes ago

Also how do we get our hands on the geniuses behimd this fiasco ?

[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 13 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

How soon before Windows copies this, given they already tried this sorta lockdown with S Mode?

Also, couldn't Ubuntu hypothetically lock down the Snap store like this?

[–] Blemgo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

I'm sceptical with Windows, considering that most programs are installed via EXE files, so the outcry will be huge. But I'm not saying it can't be a possibility.

With Ubuntu there would only be a chance of it happening if they also make their distro immutable. That way the user could not as easily install packages the traditional way. But even then there might be ways to disable this immutable mode for troubleshooting. However, this, in my opinion, would cause a mass exodus as Canonical does not have the same advantage as Microsoft or Google have: Windows and android are, to an extent, closed off ecosystems. Thus switching to another system is very hard, as not every software is available on every other system, so potentially subpar alternatives and comparability layers, whose functionality mostly depends on whether the company behind the original system is actively fighting against these tools or not. Ubuntu on the other hand, is a Linux distro, so you cab make it like Theseus and recreate this distro more or less with the sum of its parts, if need be.

[–] Yliaster@thelemmy.club 17 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

How do we defend our privacy on Android now?

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Privacy isn't really in their interest. They feed off our data.

[–] Yliaster@thelemmy.club 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

That's obvious, but before, we could use GrapheneOS and F-Droid etc to defend it ourselves. I'm not expecting Google to help, just hoping the resistance has something up its sleeve too.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 2 hours ago

I'm basically am doing exactly this. But I'm only on GrapheneOS as I had to compromise on some closed apps that refused to run on LineageOS. GrapheneOS means I can compromise on Google a bit without being completely compromised by Google. The market and geopolitical problem remains.

[–] bioluminescence@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

What does this mean for GrapheneOS and similar degoogled android versions?

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 34 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked.

[–] lbfgs@programming.dev 11 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

EU wants phones to be locked down so they can then make Google implement mass surveillance for "national security" reasons

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Europe has explicitly no problem with this. They showed they have the power to censor Russian media but refuse to do this with European far-right, they just want the local fascists to win.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago (5 children)
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[–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 3 points 3 hours ago

Would not be sure about that. There has been steps in opposite directions in the past. Remember the regulation regarding 3. party app Stores on IOS, or even further back in the past the "Free Brwoser Choice" in MS-Windows.

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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install.

Edit: What I mean is that most applications will have to choose to either agree to google terms and identify themselves, or develop only for custom ROMs, or stop developing altogether. And I don't think many will choose the 2nd option. Also, 1st option may not be available if google does not like your app.

[–] i078@europe.pub 8 points 4 hours ago

The european movement away from american stuff however is increasing, I’m hopeful that Jolla, Fairphone and the ROM world will actually increase in importance and numbers

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market.

*Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal information and setting up way more complicated build configuration.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Please see the edit with clarification, since I guess I wrote it poorly and multiple commenters did not get my point.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yeah, uh, no alarm bells in the market watchdogs? None at all?

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm writing this on a GOS Pixel tablet with only free/libre installation sources. There are quite enough applications to install.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Please see edit of my comment. Since it seems my point did not get across, I elaborated. Of course there are plenty right now since there are no barriers yet.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. Longterm, the GOS project needs to support alternative hardware platforms.

There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these.

[–] linule@lemmy.world 54 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

Time to popularize Linux phones. I read that the security model is lacking, but especially given that Android is Linux too, it shouldn’t be too difficult to catch up. The EU is also interested in tech independence, so that could be one of the sources of funding. And there are a few viable early projects, like Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish.

[–] Meshuggah333@piefed.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Android is not Linux (the OS), it just uses the Linux kernel. That means almost nothing is transferable from one OS to the other unfortunately. 

[–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 4 points 33 minutes ago

You can run Android apps on Sailfish via AppSupport

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 15 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

There need to be enforced of competition law here. Companies aren't going to voluntarily support a platform with few users. Users aren't going to move to a platform without critical apps.

We live in a dystopia were you have to have the banks app to do online banking even on your desktop. You can't charge your car without an app. You can't navigate your car without a map app that has traffic information. Etc etc. I want FOSS alternatives to all these, but there isn't and Google could take even having a FOSS platform at all.

This something we need regulators to fix. It is a politically problem, not a technical one.

America screwing up trust should wake up Europe to dealing with American tech monopolies. Now it's not something just nerds and economists complain about, it is a geopolitical problem.

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