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EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)

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[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yes, let's enter discussion with the literal Nazis so we can try to understand them. There might be nuance to their calls for mass genocide.

Fuck off OP.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's funny how people always use play it like "oh, it's just differing opinions" when what they're actually defending is indefensible malarkey like nazis and tankies. They know if they made a meme saying we should "try to understand" nazis and tankies, they'd be downvoted to oblivion. And so they hide behind a shield of "differing opinions".

These cretins have a right to post nazi and tankie shit on their own instances -- them's the beauty of the fediverse. But I also have a right to not want hate speech, genocide denial, and Hitler/Stalin/Mao simps polluting my feed. It's not mere "differing opinions" when one person's opinion is "Holodomor didn't happen, and if it did, the Ukrainians deserved it" or "Holocaust didn't happen, and if it did, the Jews deserved it" or whatever apologia they wanna peddle.

[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It’s funny how people always use play it like “oh, it’s just differing opinions” when what they’re actually defending is indefensible malarkey like nazis and tankies. They know if they made a meme saying we should “try to understand” nazis and tankies, they’d be downvoted to oblivion. And so they hide behind a shield of “differing opinions”.

There's an actual term for this: Motte and Bailey. One of many hallmarks of disingenuous shitbirds.

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck that. Defederate all Nazis.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

More like de-head-erate all nazis lmao

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao "try and understand them" fuck off, OP. You're not fooling anyone. There's no point trying to understand assholes.

What if i just loudly accuse myself of being a nazi? Is this a strategy worth pursuing? Maybe the nazis wont expect you attacking yourself. Uno reverse. "everybody says so, all the people are saying it."

[–] FRAnkly@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Nazi is a communist term for delegitimizing a legitimate sovereign nation. Cope with it. Churchill said so.

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

This post assumes that a meaningful amount of defed instances are caused by simple lack of agreement. Often, it's an orthogonal matter - it boils down to instance A actually understanding something about the userbase of instance B and saying "I'm not dealing with this shit, it'll make the instance worse for its own users". For example: the typical user of B might be disingenuous, or preach immoral prescriptions, behave like a chimp, or be a bloody stupid piece of trash that should've stayed in Reddit to avoid smearing its stupidity everywhere here.

Are instance admins too eager to pull the trigger for defed? Perhaps, in some cases; specially because it handles groups of users instead of individuals. But those cases are better addressed through actual examples, not through a meme talking on generic grounds.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

452 (and counting) defederates

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

If someone says, "you just can't handle that my views are different than your views", they are either a Nazi, or a tankie.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No offense but this is kind of what happens in real life too. Nazi shows up to local bar. Barman or owner doesn't throw them out. Eventually they invite their friends. It winds up being known a Nazi bar. People who don't want to associate with Nazis no longer visit the bar. This is why intolerance of the intolerant is a thing.

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[–] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

'people posting stuff you consider harmful' is not a simple, black and white issue. Anyone who pretends that allowing all opinions has no consequences is full of shit, anyone who claims that tightly policing opinions has no consequences is full of shit.

Like almost everything in life, you will have to navigate a tenuous balance between these two things and you will never know if you got the balance right. You are just a sack of meat doomed to die.

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The marketplace of ideas is only okay if they're ideas I agree with!

[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

lol its this shit every time libs see a legitimate left stance. im assuming you’ve seen the sh.itjust.works defed post. its like 5 super vocal users having a conniption fit that there are communists on the internet

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

geordi-no defederate to maintain your very special echo chamber

geordi-yes defederate to stop sh.tjust.works chuds from harassing your comrades in DMs with violent, transphobic and ableist attacks

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