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[–] dashdanw@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

so much pro russian propaganda in the meme channel, crazy

[–] IndigoEtherea@lemmy.zip 0 points 49 minutes ago

information manipulation is how russia and friends have been winning the global war against the US for the last twenty years. can't beat them with raw power, so beat them where you can. what is the biggest weakness right now in the US? a wildly gullible populace with very little critical thinking skills due to decades of struggling education. and it's working, overall.

[–] clifmo@programming.dev 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Laundering your talking points as text on an image does not a meme make

[–] Egriaga@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's literally what a political meme is

[–] clifmo@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

I was being kind to this low effort post

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

From the latest Perceptions of Democracy index, from NIRA Data:

Ukrainians are among the most skeptical of the democratic processes in their country. Meanwhile, even a country as hotly contested as Venezuela, faith in elections is skyrocketing. And this is gathered by a western org run by a NATO official.

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

As always, I would like to point out that these kinds of surveys of public opinion are not really evidence of anything besides public opinion itself.

You cannot assert that a certain country has more or less of some quality simply because more people in that country said they think they do more frequently than people in a different country did.

For example if you asked Americans (particularly those in the south or rural areas) if they thought their country was more “free” than the rest of the world, you would probably get higher numbers than you would from most other regions of the world despite the fact that America is not that free relative to much of the world.

[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

So would you say, that actively hostile imperialist western nations and their propaganda apparatus know more about democracy in Venezuela than Venezuelans?

For example if you asked Americans (particularly those in the south or rural areas) if they thought their country was more “free” than the rest of the world, you would probably get higher numbers than you would from most other regions of the world

Maybe this data will surprise you then:

Haha funnily enough that’s the graph I first had this argument with cowbee about lol

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Trends in perception, as well as comparison, does tell a good story. In many ways it's a superior method of data gathering on democracy than the standard method of defining democracy as whatever the Nordics are doing, and then grading everyone based on how closely they follow that.

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Direct comparison of perception of democracy by people who have lived in both countries would be much clearer evidence of differences in democracy itself.

However, the raw perception of democracy without any other reference to other democracies does not allow for comparison/measurement of democracy itself but rather indicates how happy individuals feel within their current democracy.

The data is a good story and it does encode information, but that information is more significantly influenced by culture, current events, and overall happiness of the populace than it is by “level of democracy”

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. When I mean comparison, I mean in trends. If a country scores lower in one year while another scores higher, and this trend repeats, it's a sign of improving and decaying conditions. Democracy isn't really something you can measure directly, which makes the entire subject pretty muddy.

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

that’s why I put quotes around “level of democracy.” If everyone in a country had to vote directly for any and all government action, that is kind of the purest democracy possible, but it would not be a very effective method of government especially for large countries.

In order to rank democracy in a meaningful way, one would need to decide on what the desired outcomes of a “good” democracy are and which outcomes are most important etc. which would make the scale subjective.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago

Even that would not be democratic, as it ignores the role of ownership of production and distribution. In a capitalist economy, such would still be subject to the same mechanisms preventing bourgeois democracy from following the will of the proletariat.

[–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 13 points 8 hours ago

What part of martial law do you not understand?

A country being invaded can be and will be overthrown if possible. In fact, it's been done many times in European imperialist history.

That's why the clause exists, even before democracy was normalized in Europe. Just find someone else in line for procession and install a puppet prince.

It's even been abused. Some speculate that Trump would trigger martial law to stay in office - or even Netenyahu himself clinging to power.

In the end you don't want a captured government. That's also historically been really bad.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Canceling elections is totally fine if it's our guy

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 7 points 8 hours ago

I don't see any blue states going along with any potential attempts by Trump to cancel the election. There is literally nobody who is going to invade mainland USA in the next 3 years. It's just not in the cards. In Ukraine, women my age notice that 10% of their dating pool is gone (dead, moved abroad, missing?). The average US citizen is going to experience whatever obvious false flag, just something less impactful than 2020s "wearing masks", even if that's literally a drone strike from Latin America, and they're going to cancel elections over it?

[–] charlieBox@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Ukraine needs to have elections

[–] Egriaga@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The thing is their constitution states that during a time of war they can't.

[–] charlieBox@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Abraham Lincoln was given a choice to not hold elections during the American civil war but he understood the war is at the will of the people. Are we afraid the Ukrainian people will vote against the war?

[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

You can't let a pesky volk get in the way of the endsieg

[–] astar26@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Just for factual correctness (don't actually care about your opinion) - no Israeli election was cancelled. Bibi himself lost an election in 2020.