Allero

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

True, but it seems like they were mostly united by just having Russian e-mail domains. Some also worked on support for Baikal CPUs, but they are essentially a failed product now.

Also, the personal response of Linus is a clear F*** you to Russians in particular, so he kinda cleared this out, at least on the level of "I don't give a damn about Russians whatsoever, they're evil"

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, arguing that everyone disagreeing is a paid Russian troll is a cherry on top.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 4 weeks ago

Agreed with you!

[–] Allero@lemmy.today -5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (71 children)

So, basically it's enough to say "Fuck Russia, Fuck Russians" here and it gains you massive support.

Seriously?

First, how does this fuck Russia the state?

Second, what everyday Russians have to do with it? What justifies sneaking in hate messages to a diverse ethnic group with no single ideology?

Saying "Fuck Russians" is about the same as "Fuck Jews" because Israel has done bad things. This is not okay.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 46 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (27 children)

The central project of open-source community closes doors to people based on nationality, and everyone is cheering...

Why? You seriously miss the implications of breaking the very basic principles of open source? You are ready to forgive literally anything if it is claimed to target Russia or Russians in any way?

For those of you who say about backdoors:

  • US is known to create the most complicated spy networks with myriads of backdoors. Where are the bans of the US maintainers?
  • Israel is a literal powerhouse of state-sanctioned spying software - Pegasus, as well as many less renowned programs, was created here. Any bans, anyone?
  • China is known for invasive software. Maybe ban them all too?

The only reasonable way to avoid backdoors is to meticulously check the submitted code. Threat actors can be anywhere - and Russia is not some unique threat location, nor was it banned with that justification - just "compliance requirements".

This is politics permeating the sacred place we all had. This is a giant threat to the community, and the way Linus framed it in his message is even more terrifying. This was never meant to happen.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 17 points 4 weeks ago
[–] Allero@lemmy.today 18 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children)

Comments do drastically differ between .ml and .world. On .ml, you'll see more sympathy towards Russia and China.

But the issue on hand is way bigger than that. It's importance is not in Russia getting sanctioned somewhere else - it's in the destruction of openness and trust in the open-source community, which has far more reaching consequences. What has been done is pretty unprecedented - and dangerous.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

Kernel cannot follow or not follow any legal rules. Linux Foundation can.

And if regulations become a serious issue and go against the spirit of open-source, it is time to move the Foundation somewhere else.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

If we follow through with it, I would absolutely never ever trust anyone from the US, for example. US is very much known for cyber espionage and shady operations, and could absolutely backdoor Linux.

This is all power play, and it comes from a very certain direction amidst this political struggle.

You want your open source code not to have backdoors? Review it meticulously. This is really the only way, and the one an entire open-source community relies on - pretty successfully, by the way.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 10 points 4 weeks ago

I understand that.

But he also sits at the heart of the open-source community, and his actions might ripple through the entire sector. With this much influence, allowing your personal fears to chime in is unacceptable.

Once we start fragmenting open-source the way we fragment everything else, we lose the very spirit of it and open doors to so much potential power abuse.

Besides, I really don't see how restricting Russian maintainers would prevent Russian military aggression. If something important there is powered by Linux, it can be forked and modified to serve a specific need. Not to mention Finland is now part of NATO.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 31 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (9 children)

Now what the actual fuck

Linus gives it a full green light and refers to negative reactions as Russian bot attacks

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Russian-Devs

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