BenchpressMuyDebil

joined 1 year ago

New food chain just dropped

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

HMD feature phones are such a let down.

The Polish language translation within the system is clearly automated translation - the words used sometimes don't make sense. CloudFone apps are also not available in Europe.

The HMD 110 4G (2024, not 2023) has the Unisoc T127 chipset which supports hotspot, but HMD deliberately chose not to include it. I know because the Itel Neo R60+ has hotspot with the same chipset.

At least they made Nokia XR21 in Europe for a while.

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I wanted something that's more difficult to consume media on. Something that is less conductive to feeding some guy's advertising empire. The cloud apps are interesting to me not because of YouTube, but because of maps and public transport schedules. That way, it'd be closer to my main-main phone, rather than falling back to the smartphone for some apps.

E-ink smartphones like Mudita Kompakt seem pretty interesting, as the e-ink probably makes certain media unusable.

Whatsapp is somewhat optional for me as my friends don't use it, but I know it's important to other people. It would be important to me if I went outside the EU, though.

There's also something about escaping Android.

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 3 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately there's this post too: https://blog.bananahackers.net/farooqkz/on-the-state-of-kaios-and-bananahackers-community-as-of-summer-of-2023

Many “council” members have lost interest in developing for KaiOS. Many have not and believe this OS will live on and cover a minority of the market

But now, in 2023, this mobile Operating System seems to be on the verge of death. Not only KaiOS 3.0 is out but also KaiOS 3.1 is also out. But there is no device which is available worldwide. Only few carrier-locked devices for North America.

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 1 points 2 months ago

Here's a demo of the cloud youtube playing https://youtu.be/2VPQ_3SAKi0?t=85 It looks tolerably legible to me. Definitely OK for playing music or dunno, watching soccer recaps or tech videos

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

buy the cheapest smartphone from alibaba

These feature phones are aimed at people living in countries who don't have this privilege. If all I could afford is a 20 EUR phone I'd be pretty happy with having the cloud apps that I normally couldn't be able to use. I'm sure that the executives at HMD don't ask themselves "are we not violating the definition of the dumbphone?", they're trying to make their product attractive to sell the most units. And apparently the ability to watch YT or check cricket scores (the cloud apps), and in the future maybe WhatsApp, are just that.

Though yeah, my post is more about feature phones, not real dumbphones as I originally wrote in the title.

also, how does it even run a web browser when the whole device has just 128 MB RAM. will the device crash if I load up facebook. com?

The heavy lifting is offloaded to the servers ("cloud"), I think. The data you receive is how to draw the elements in the remote browser.

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I wrote this by hand. It's a fact list because I don't want the research I've done to be lost. Does Deepseek find videos with links to a timestamp?

 

I've been researching dumbphones lately and wanted to share about the developments I've learned. I'll be writing from an European perspective. I am omitting Android since I wasn't interested in it. Android Go is discontinued, if you care.

CloudFone

This is an addon to the barebones OS manufacturers add to their phones. Such OS' are e.g. HMD (formely Nokia) S30+ or other Mocor RTOS based systtems. This addon is an "app" within the OS that's a browser which offloads the rendering to another server. It works similar to the Puffin browser.

The advantage here is that the underlying browser engine is ran and updated on the server. This helps avoid the KaiOS situation: KaiOS v2 (the last version in Europe) uses Firefox 48 (current version is 137). CloudFone could be running the latest stable Chromium even on an old device, as long as the rendering server is updated to that version. The remote server rendering is obviously more powerful than what the little feature phone can normally do.

You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/coaLnA7Twl4?t=295

The disadvantage here is that those apps do not work offline - you need to connect to the server over the Internet to render them. If the underyling rendering server is ever shut down, you lose all your apps and your phone is back to being a dumb-dumbphone. It seems like you don't have control over what apps are available and which are not. These could be rug-pulled at any moment. There are some rumors on /r/dumbphones about a WhatsApp CloudFone app which would be big. Some of the apps are something you wouldn't want on a dumbphone, like tiktok or yt shorts.

The trick is that the firmware versions with CloudFone enabled are only offered to phones in India. The only way to get these firmware versions is to download a custom firmware from the Russian 4pda.to forums. This custom firmware seems to be available for Nokia 3210 4G 2024 or Nokia 220 4G. A more powerful option would be HMD 110 4G 2024 since it has 128 MB RAM, but I couldn't find the CloudFone enabled firmware for it.

I get that this approach is not acceptable to the freedom-oriented, tech-savvy demographic on Lemmy, but it looks like this is where the mainstreaim is heading right now.

The downside of the non-KaiOS devices is that they normally don't support WiFi and thus can't serve as a mobile hotspot. There are devices like itel R60+ which can, however, but I have no idea which website to import it from.

KaiOS

The latest KaiOS version on devices sold in Europe is KaiOS v2.5.x. The latest available outside Europe is 3.1 (?). There's supposedly KaiOS v4 in the works. People say it's dead.

KaiOS is just not an European thing - this is balantly obvious if you look at HMD's "Barbie phone" - it uses KaiOS 3.1 in the US version, but in Europe, it uses the basic HMD S30+ OS.

There's a KaiOS jailbreaking community. See https://wiki.bananahackers.net/en/devices for supported devices. Apps you can install with the jailbreak are here: https://store.bananahackers.net/. I've seen an XMPP client and a Matrix one too.

I've been only considering devices with a USB-C port and available in Europe and what I've found is Blackview N1000 (somewhat easily available on Allegro in Poland, has USB-C and is jailbreakable according to bananahackers wiki, but it supposedly resets itself on long +20m phone calls), Gigaset GL7 (USB-C, unknown if jailbreakable, available only if you buy secondhand from someone), myPhone UP smart LTE (USB-C, non jailbreakable), Maxcom MK281 (microusb, not known if jailbreakable, can buy secondhand only). Note that some of those aren't jailbreakable according to the bananahackers table above.

You could also import an US KaiOS v3/v4 (TCL Flip 4 is KaiOS v4, US only) phone, but the overlap in LTE bands is only on band 7 (I think?), meaning it'd only have reception in cities. There's someone that imported an US Nokia 2780 and reports it works in Italy on /r/dumbphones.

KaiOS devices mostly can serve as a mobile hotspot, which is nice.

postmarketOS

Phones that run KaiOS out of the factory normally have 0.5 GB of RAM, meaning they can boot Linux. See https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Category:Feature_Phone The newest device in this table is the NA Nokia 2780 released in 2022. The feature support tables seems not to support calls.

SoCs

The "Feature phone SoCs" section seems to be gone from the Unisoc website. The Wikipedia SoC Unisoc table lists e.g. T107 but doesn't list the newer T127 or T157 (supports 5G and only ever used on Asian feature phones)

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi

If you just want the tunnel encryption you can try hosting a VPN on your own home network. It's what I do since I don't need to spoof my location.

You are asking in the piracy community so I'm assuming you're also using it to torrent (which a home VPN won't help with) but you didn't specifiy so I'm not sure

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 2 points 3 months ago

Closest I've seen was rooting a printer via a security exploit

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 12 points 4 months ago

I enjoy this headline writing style. Imagine if we turned "try these 7 tricks" headlines into "Dionysius I of Syracuse would like you to try these"

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 6 points 4 months ago (12 children)
[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

https://github.com/LuckyTurtleDev/docker-images/tree/main/dockerfiles/anki

start with env var sync_user1=username:password or something like that

change server url in anki desktop or ankidroid to what you started in docker

done

 

I'm currently traveling for months at a time and my homelab has become unreachable to me over VPN due to a unknown complication after a power outage.

Just as a learning experience for all, my mistake was that I set-up my VPN very far down the stack - as a wg-easy app inside TrueNAS SCALE's apps ecosystem. My very important reason for doing it was that way was that wg-easy allows for setting up client devices with a QR code...

Anyway, the NAS is not booting back up nor do the TrueNAS apps. I should've set my VPN up right at the front of the network - on my MikroTik router that also supports Wireguard. The funny thing is I was so happy that my NAS has IPMI and whatnot but now I can't even access it.

For now the NAS is kept powered on from what I know, it just doesn't boot. This should help prevent bitrot until I'm back. All important files are backed up on a 3rd party service.

It's a shame my Jellyfin and Navidrome inaccessible, but I'll live.


Now I'm thinking about buying an UPS so that this doesn't happen in the future. I'd like the UPS to be fanless and rackmount, so that limits me to ~700VA territory.

Devices in my homelab pull about 65W idle and spike to say 150W when everything is booting. ISP modem, router, POE+ switch, AP, NAS. I might add another 20W due to a Lenovo M920q in the future.

I only really care about NUT and graceful shutdown instead of long runtime on battery.

I was thinking about this: https://www.apc.com/us/en/product/SMT750RMI2U/

In my country I can get it with new batteries (no front panel) and a network card for NUT for a total of 180 EUR.

Would that work? Would you be afraid of leaving an UPS (it is kinda like a bomb after all) unattended an leaving your home for 6 months at a time?

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