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[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago (6 children)

why would they not just use linux-lts then? that's still insanity. and eventually the LTS versions get out of date and you have the exact same problem just later, there's no need for this, just install both linux-lts and linux like arch does and it'll get out of the way, and you can easily fall back to linux-lts if something goes wrong, it's a much simpler system, versioning the packages completely defeats the purpose of updating your system. It's so much simpler than what you're describing and this is the distro that's supposed to be easier to use?

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

Sorry, but, no. Pretty much any distro can do all of that perfectly well, the fedoras of the world, the mints of the world, but they don't break constantly.

I have given manjaro to 3 people and used it myself for many years, i got sick of it because the team is incredibly incompetent and just breaks things all the time, i've switched to arch and all of these problems have gone away.

let me give you an example of a design flaw that has caused strife for every single person I have given manjaro, how the kernel is handled.

Manjaro does not let you sudo pacman -S linux, instead, you get linux with the version number as the package, this means for the standard user, your kernel will become outdated, unless you think to go out of your way to update it. This has broken every system of every normal person I have given manjaro at some point, and then i've had to go through GREAT lengths to resolve the issue for them, all of which I had to do from a terminal. Updating the kernel should be the default of any sane distro, and I have never encountered another distro that made this such a hassle by default.

https://github.com/arindas/manjarno

You can read this for other examples of how incompetent the team is, i'm sorry but there's just no usecase for manjaro, if you want a GUI, you should simply use something other than arch, like fedora. I see no advantages to manjaro over arch personally, but if you desperately need a GUI, just use something else instead of trying desperately to hack arch into something that it simply is not.

Manjaro takes the good things about arch, the KISS philosophy, throws that in the trash, adds nothing of value and breaks shit. Endeavoros is the same thing but better in every way, and arch even has an installer now.

Furthermore, if you're in need of a GUI, you're probably going to hate when manjaro finally does break and you're dropped in a terminal with no experience whatsoever, which will inevitably happen.

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (27 children)

Manjaro should not even be considered in the modern distro landscape, the story of manjaro is just a series of incompetent mistakes.

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

If you use gnome/kde I highly recommend an immutable distribution like kinoite or silverblue, if you prefer SUSE, microos is the equivalent. It's unbelievably good if you want something that just works all the time.

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's 100% not hardware, none of the issues that I had were related to hardware, they all appeared on all 3 machines simultaneously, or were fundamental design issues

an example of a fundamental design issue is the way the linux kernel packages are handled, they're numbered, which means when you run the updater, you don't automatically get the newest one, they should've used an ignorepkg or something else to achieve the same effect, because now if you don't manually go in and change the kernel after a year or so, which no normal user would think to do, it breaks an unbelievable amount of shit, especially with nvidia drivers. This is just one of many horrible things that happened with that distro, you should really give endeavor or anything else a shot, even default arch is great now since there's an installer.

I truly believe there's literally no reason to use manjaro.

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

I'm speaking from experience, my experience has been absolutely abhorrent, i've given it to 3 people and thoroughly regretted it every time, troubleshooting insane problems that never happened on arch. I have nothing but awful experiences with the distro.

It was great until it broke, and it inevitably will break in unforeseen ridiculous ways. Over and over again. One of the peoples computers I maintain refuses to switch to kinoite and I dread working on his computer because manjaro is such a terrible experience.

There's a reason there's a trend. Manjaro makes arch significantly worse, adds nothing to the equation except maintenance burden, and breaks a bunch of shit for everyone else too. It's just an absolutely awful distro, probably the worst of all time, and I say this as someone with literally years of experience with the distro.

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Manjaro is actually the worst distro

https://manjarno.pages.dev/

endeavor is the same idea with much better execution

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

With the black box, you should do a report, the advantage of this is if you do it, and a developer actually addresses it, it'll be solved for everyone, meaning your only troubleshooting step will be waiting for an update:

https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/Bugs.html

It'd help them out too, and that's also a very likely spot to get troubleshot, as the devs are very knowledgeable.

Unfortunately the situation with nvidia is just horrible ATM because nvidia won't stop being horrible.

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

you should really report that bug to the greeter people, that should be fixed for everyone

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

I'm not sure why/if that matters honestly, aside from discoverability I guess.

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Are you aware of flatseal?

If you are, is there an issue with using it for you?

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

If you're using gnome/kde, I see no reason not to run immutable, the advantages of not being immutable are that you can piece together your system, if you're running i3/sway/whatever, being able to choose your panel, your launcher, etc actually has value.

The advantages of immutable are that you'll never end up with a broken system, you can easily roll back to a not broken one if something does break, and the system is separate from your apps.

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