Kichae

Mass adoption is fundamental to make any social media viable;

Forums used to be lively and self-sustaining with memberships in the low hundreds. You only need "mass adoption" if you want and unending stream of novelty bullshit that you don't actially want to engage with to entertain yourself with while on the toilet.

Community building involves more than just posting. It's "If you post it, post about it everywhere else, and talk about it with everybody who will listen". And then dealing with months if silence while you keep posting things that inspire others to join in.

Yeah. It's the same with Mastodon. "There are a bunch of toxic people making me feel unwelcome" can be met with "so I left" or "so we flooded the place and took over, because there were only lile 800 people there"

I wonder how much fuss would have to be put up in order to get nodeBB supporting it.

A lot of the small communities are not dead, they simply have a low post rate. If you actually post something of interest to them, they get engagement.

Social media suffers from the curse of the Pareto principle: The overwhelming majority of users do not generate content. They also suffer from the network effect: Most people will be where the content is, and most content creators will stay where the audience is. What we have on Lemmy is a group of people that skews more heavily toward consumption or commenting than posting new content, and the ever present thief of joy.

and the Fediverse in general

A significant number of the not-Lemmy-or-Mastodon servers support emoji and custom emoticon tags, not just 'up', 'down', or 'star'. I wish that was more widely adopted.

I think a surprising number of people use the 'All' feed, both here, and on Reddit.

Thing is, it can be great for niches! The Star Trek instance is very Star Trek. The TTRPG instance has a lot of potential. If we try to build the fediverse out from these niche nodes first, instead of starting from the general and trying to branch out, it could work a lot better than what we currently have.

Unfortunately, community building is work, and it's work that users actually do on the bigger, corporate sites. Those community builders helped get those spaces going, helped make them appealing, and help trap users there. In smaller spaces like this, we need to be the community builders, not just the content consumers.

One thing I find really helps is to use something that doesn't look like the space you left. Lemmy looks an awful lot like Reddit, but it has themes, and even alternative web clients that can change the experience and make it feel like something new.

Lemmy also isn't the content and communities, it's just the website's server software. You can access... ugh... the "threadiverse"... from websites using other ActivityPub enabled servers. There's an ActivityPub Discourse plugin. nodeBB is adding ActivityPub support in its next version. Friendica and Hubzilla have group support, and work with Lemmy-hosted communities.

Find a new window on social media, and it might help you engage with it differently.

The other thing you can do is just niche down a bit here. Find a few active communities that you're interested in, and focus your attention on them. Lemmy is actually much, much more like classic forums, where communities or spheres of interest have their own website. The difference here is that you can actually look outside of those communities to interact with other forums, too. It works a a lot better if you treat it that way. Find your home, as it were, and branch out from there.

Unfortunately, the modern mental model of social media is the fire hose, not the node-and-spoke that is actually best supported by the technology.

Search will never search non-local content. That's not how search works anywhere. Even Google is searching local content.

That's what search engine spiders do. They create local profiles of websites that end up being sorted and searched.

We have to give up on the idea of having easy and direct access to the whole of thw fediverse. Fefiverse sites don't even know about every other fediverse site, and they never will.

That was a big complaint during the 2022 migration. And it's something that's basically available on every fediverse platform not called Mastodon. I wish that fact had caused more people to actually check out those platforms, rather than further entrench Mastodon as the core of the fediverse.

the Fediverse may be missing a clear, cohesive narrative.

I think this is because it's not a clear, cohesive place. Developers keep trying to make it look like centralized social media, but I don't think that's going to work in the end; it certainly isn't working now. Trying to dress it up as something that it's not, just because that thing is currently popular with the masses, does nothing but set us up for failure.

Mastodon is a second rate Twitter, Lemmy is a second rate Reddit, etc. The existing model of trying to make all of this look like one, single, central location is uncanny, and people notice that.

Lemmy's got some good theming options, and the templates are there to do custom theming work. There's the potential for some real website branding there, in that. But if you look at Mastodon, the biggest player in the game right now, the developers go out of their way to homogenize the Mastodon experience. Every Masto website looks fundamentally identical to all of the others. It's doing everything it can to make it look like "Mastodon" is a place on the Internet, in the same way that "WordPress" is not.

And that's a problem. ActivityPub doesn't really support that fiction.

Some ideas have been floated around in the microblog space, and tested in some places. Having 'Local' be the default timeline has worked out pretty well on Catodon. Strong community theming has kept tenforward.social on topic, with most people there discussing Star Trek. The art-based Masto instances work well, and seem to be fairly sticky. But generic, general "Mastodon" is failing to inspire folks, and lacks the pop culture discussion that the general public wants. Journalists have bounced, due to audience engagement tapering off. Communities of colour keep getting chased off of the big instances.

Attempts to occupy the "general" space and branch out into niche interests aren't working. The focus really needs to be shifted back in the other direction.