Liberals love a good thought-terminating cliché, especially if it's xenophobis they can get away with.
TheOubliette
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For USSR being the victor in WW2. Why these Finnish "russian death camps" not in most of history textbooks?
Most history textbooks barely mention Finland at all. They will often not even tell you they were Axis-aligned. You have to read historians writing specifically about this topic. No lazy bones.
Also it's not unreasonable to hate the aggressor.
Like I said, this does not excuse allying with Nazis. I am not arguing about whether everyday Finns might have had animosity towards Russia for a few years. I am talking about being the willing Northern front for Nazi Germany, deporting Jews to camps, rounding up tons of civilians and keeping them in starvation conditions.
So even if they were building death camps to get revenge on Russkies. It's not like tribal collective punishment isn't engrained in our blood.
This was not tribal, it was a nation state and the forces were political. Lapua members were the key Nazi collaborators and they were anticommunist ideologues long before the Winter War.
Please refrain from bullshit human nature arguments to justify Nazi collaboration.
Why do you even want to defend an empire?
What on earth are you talking about?
This is hilarious. That anyone would stand up for Russia, one of the most hated states on the planet.
What no material grounding does to a person. There is a reason Russia is increasingly popular in the Sahel. Do you think it might also have something to do with Europe and material interest?
Though maybe I shouldn't elaborate. It is probably good for the rest of the world if chauvinist Europeans falsely believe they represent it.
China especially, they would watch and wait till Russia was about to fail, and take their eastern territories, giving them both the land and resources they are so desperate for.
What, the trees and steppes? China's material interests in Russia are in fossil fuels and their derivatives, industrial capacity for key industries (though China is overtaking), and as a market to sell things to.
Russia is a country without meaningful allies (oh, I'm sorry, I forgot north Korea), in a world that hates them and wants to see them suffer for their past actions.
Just repeating "European chauvinists represent the world" over and over again Lmao. At the moment European states are certainly acting against Russia, making yourself into weakened American dependencies and shooting the prospect of an independent Eurooe in the head to do it. But that is more manufactured consent than any real popular push. This is why Europe is taking a rightward turn against the liberal order that seeks to isolate Russia: y'all are paying a hefty price to do the US' bidding.
Poland alone would do anything for the chance to revisit Russia with a fraction of the pain they've caused over the centuries, and nobody would dare stop them.
This is, more or less, historical illiteracy.
This is inevitable, the Russian decline guarantees their predation and destruction at the hands of their growing neighbors.
Growing neighbors like what? Belarus? Azerbaijan? Kazakhstan? If you mean China you can just say China.
Though again you have the material developments flipped. Europe is selling itself to Americans, not getting one over on Russia. Europe still buys Russian fossil fuels they just do so at a significant mark-up via middle men.
Like I said, popcorn futures.
Like I said, ethnic supremacist. And with that said, I won't be giving you more attention.
I don't know what you mean
To split hairs, saying "more peaceful" implies it was peaceful in the first place and even is now, just less so. I don't think it was peaceful at either point. Which why I am framing it as a status quo of violence that was lesser 4 years ago and greater now.
I'm excited for Russia seeing justice.
Just Russia? Or all countries with the same violations that outrage you? What about those with even worse? Are you excited for justice in all cases?
And a world War?
Yes.
With Russia and whose army?
A world war would involve multiple countries on both sides, dragged in by mutual ties and a recognition of which camp would have it in for them in victory. Starting am open war with Russia would drag in all nations that have sought independence and needed to build up a military to prevent being overcome by the domjnant superpower. Eventually it would drag in every major state. It is hard to say how all of the chios would fall, but the conditions under which Russia were openly targeted for destruction would immediately create alarm in China, Iran, and most of Africa. That bloc has an order of magnitude more productive capacity and manpower than the "good guys" you would have in mind.
Because theirs can't handle Ukraine on their own.
Russia could destroy and overtake UA at basically any time but is instead choosing this status quo as achieving a strategic objective, namely bleeding UA of manpower and weapons stocks. Russia has notably not used the scorched earth approach that NATO and NATO ally countries have consistently taken during their invasions, one where mass civilian destruction and terror are the main components of victory and control, where their forces fall apart the minute theyvlack air superiority. UA does not have sufficient air defenses to prevent such attacks, Russia simply chooses not to make them.
If things turn south, I have no doubt Russia would adopt the more NATO-ie "make the civilian population scream for mercy and then push them even harder" approach.
Their missiles explode on the launchpad, their submarines sink themselves, their only aircraft carrier has more Russian kills than enemy.
You might as well just write, "I am easily misled by propaganda". Since the beginning of the war, the false prospect that Ukraine could win has been essential for manufacturing consent for every ask made by Kyiv and the US government, up to and including mass deindustrialization of regions of Europe and making the EU dollar dependent again. Just follow the sources of what you read and ask what they choose to report on vs not and who pays them. It will be revealing.
Oh, you honestly think China will save them? That's absolutely adorable.
Save them from what? If China is in a world war you can kiss any semblance of normalcy in your life goodbye. You should fear these prospects, not LARP about how much you will win. These are all nuclear powers with greater industrial capacity.
That shock therapy? That was their own oligarchs looting Russia wildly, which is why corruption has destroyed the Russian military so completely.
Feel free to familiarize yourself with what shock therapy refers to in this context. No lectures from you about this if you don't know something so basic. But, in short: the oligarchs were created by this shock therapy, of mass privatization, and it was done by US policy in the region. Modern Russia is a direct consequence of US shock therapy treatment.
Russia has historically felt their only safety came from the perception by others that they were strong. That perception was utterly shattered by Ukraine, forever.
Silly little fairy tales.
There is no way this turns out that is not disastrous for Russia, but then again I guess they just call that 'history'. Personally I'm looking forward to it with anticipation.
What about a disaster in Russia makes you excited?
Not thirsty for blood, thirsty for justice, as are much of Europe that were victims of Russian imperialism under the name of 'buffer states'.
Justice is not abstract, it has a grounding in ending injustice, creating accountability, and making whole. Given that you seem, unprompted, pretty stoked for war, I don't accept your claim to not have thirst for blood.
Re: Europe being victims of imperialism, what on earth are you talking about? I assume you are referring to the Warsaw Pact but I can only guess at what comic book-esque brainworms are at work.
Now those states are stronger than them and everyone is desperately eager to watch them suffer.
So you wish suffering on the Russian people? Sounds pretty Russophobic.
I could make a fortune selling popcorn in eastern Europe.
Russian hatred? We call that 'being European'.
Ah, sounds like you hang out in ethnic supremacist spaces. It's all making sense now.
Nope.
Yep.
It's a factual statement since Russia invaded Europe
Oh? When?
raped and murdered its citizens en masse
When?
and chose to remove itself from the world order
What world order, and how? When you say "removed itself", does that mean it officially withdree from associations or trade deals or norms of finance? Or are you using roundabiut language to describe others attempting to remove Russia from the "world order", whatever that may be in your mind?
Europe
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and being a nation deserving of anything other than disgust and distain.
I suppose you believe that if your hate is strong enough you can pretend I didn't just tell you a bunch of stuff about the race science you are echoing.
I might frame it as less embroiled in open war and extermination.
"Not European" is classic race science line against Slavs in general, including but not exclusively Russians. The barbaric Asiatic hordes, so the line goes. Liberals have been eating up these recycled ancient racist talking points to apply to Russians.
You could always just ask questions about a topic you are unfamiliar with instead of making things up.
Ah yes, the famed "reluctant" Nazi collaborators that just had to help Nazis and build death camps to get revenge on the Russkies.
I wonder why all of these liberals here keep making excuses for Nazis and Nazi collaborators.
The projects that have those codes of conduct are the ones where any reactionary maintainers could be overruled. You have to look to the projects that have never had codes of conduct, the old guard and Incelie techbro spaces. Brave's CEO is a homophobe, for example. This has been known for years, he still makes homophobic comments. Brave does not have a code of conduct or community guidelines. And basically anyone that notices and tries to address an issue like racism or transphobia with a repo suddenly finds a mass of reactionaries coming out of the woodwork.