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In Nostr, each relay can set its own policies. Relays can and do establish policies for acceptable behaviours.

Sure, but it's still each relay admin playing whack a mole with bigots as they pop up with new accounts.

On AP, because identities are tied to instances, the instance admin can kick the bigot and they're gone for everyone, before many folk ever see it. And if there is an instance with admins that don't deal with bigots, the admins can defederate from the entire instance.

Nostr doesn't give you any of those options. An instance is just a generic relay. No community, no differentiation, no protection for vulnerable folk. Which is fine if your goal is "free speech" but not so good if you're a member of a vulnerable minority just trying to connect with people/communities without having to be super on guard.

I left twitter to get away from an environment like that. I'm not going to head back to a federated version of the same thing

The fact is, hosting online discussion forums gets costly quickly, especially if you want them to be reliable.

Absolutely. I admin several AP instances, including the one I'm posting from now. We have crowd funding to help, but we are still out of pocket running it, but that's fine, because the reason we run it is for the whole community aspect I've been talking about.

I have zero interest in paying out of pocket to run a generic relay that will probably end up being used by the very people I'm trying to avoid.

In mastodon, your instance can stop you from seeing content from other instances and ban users from other instances. While this moderation might be nice sometimes, I’d rather it be opt-in than mandatory. Nostr relays don’t have this power. Likewise, Mastodon instances can stop their followers from following you. Nostr doesn’t allow this.

This is exactly why I won't use Nostr. What you're describing here isn't ideal for many folk that are part of marginalised groups. When each individual has to individually block every bigot only after being exposed to their bigotry, then the vulnerable folk don't hang around. This is doubly the case when there is nothing stopping the bigots from just creating another account after burning their first one.

One question that fediverse needs to solve is: how are we going to fund hosting costs for instances and more broadly, development?

This is also something that activitypub communities do better, because they are communities not relays.

I think I saw that episode of Black Mirror

If the companies had their way, it would go directly in to your brain

Apparently telling a consumer to vote with their wallet is somehow pro corporate?

Yes, it is. Because it ignores the reality of living in society. A kid that grows up without access to pop culture shows etc is bullied and harassed because they're different and don't fit in.

It ignores the reality that viable alternatives to ad supported content are becoming harder to find, creating a situation where people have to choose between a social disconnect and supporting a funding mechanism that they don't agree with.

If "voting with your wallet" is the only option, then nothing changes in the consumers favour, because that's the reality of capitalism.

They shouldn't exist? But you're ok with the systems that actively reward and sustain the behaviour that creates them?

As I said, I think the only post in the community you were looking at was made before your instance was up and running and able to be pinged

The community you're trying to subscribe to only has one post, and I believe that post may predate your instance spinning up.

It's not really a good example of federation on Lemmy, because it doesn't have content to federate.

Even your ping idea wouldn't have worked here

In the Australian accent, it's jay-oll, not jay-ill, so the spelling makes sense here.

Calm your farm. It's British/Australian spelling.

I don't want anyone beaten up in gaol.

MacGyver, is that you?