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[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

but the rest is perfectly cromulent

"Competences", "planification", "to hop over" (=to refrain from)? Sorry, that stuff is downright grotesque.

Remember these aren’t high school mistakes they’re stuff that C2 speakers use

I can't remember that because the WP article didn't claim that. In fact, if you make these mistakes, you're not C2, by definition.

just as you’ll see American generals writing reports using “less” instead of “fewer”, or “good” instead of “well”, or “who” instead of “whom” (shudder). “was” instead of “were”.

Except that this is language change from within the native community, in their native language, aimed from native speakers at other natives who will understand or (if they don't understand them or use a different variety) correct them. Some of that stuff (who-whom, was-were) is well-established in already existing usage and dialects, it's not an innovation at all.

That’s language evolution, plain and simple, things change as they always have and the language does different things in different places.

I'll repeat myself: no, this isn't ordinary language change, as this "Euro English" is simply a local characteristic of this or that speaker who failed to learn English as it is used by native speakers. 'Euro English' is not a real unit, as it has no defining characteristics. Imagine a European using some calque from his native language while talking to a European who has a different native language and who can't understand the calque - this is not what happens in a normal speech community, these people will fail to understand each other, and their English is not a stable or reliably identifiable linguistic variety. You can see that especially in the table with "Euro English vocabulary", where words are clearly marked by their origin, and they won't be understood or will be found absurd by many other Europeans.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The sort of English you'll see in literature, newspapers, any remotely formal communication, in grammars (which learning materials are based on as well). The stuff learners will aim to learn.

Differences between US and UK English, and the dialectal variety within each of them, are not all that relevant here. Where I live, students are taught British English, but no professor ever chastised us for using American pronunciation or vocabulary. Both are within the range of what natives will find acceptable.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I've read about Euro-English and discussed it back on reddit quite some time ago, and I have to say I'm very skeptical whether such a thing exists or ever could exist. Fundamentally it's a mis-learned standard English, and the mis-learning is to a large degree determined by the speaker's native language - which varies extremely across Europe. Slavic speakers will have issues with articles, Germans much less so, etc. Consequently there's hardly any definite characteristic of Euro-English (the examples in the article are too vaguely described, and I'm sure many European ESLs would find them grammatically unacceptable too). Perhaps one could speak of a variety of English used by EU politicians and institutions, but those people are hardly a linguistic model for the vast majority of other speakers.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago

The point isn't so much in which browser you'll prefer to use at the end of the day (that's on you as a consumer to decide), but being able to decide which browser to have installed on your PC in the first place.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How can a website be trendy if nobody could use it until now?

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well I've seen a few in passing. They just look like any other AI "art"/porn.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago (11 children)

Do people actually enjoy seeing those pictures? I can sort of understand generating them for shock value, but finding them erotic or pleasing??

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No one asked the Chinese natives originally there if they wanted to separate from China.

Ok, but has anyone asked them anything now?

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

But what do the residents of Alaska have to say? Are they doing fine? Would they be doing better if they were back under US?

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's not how sarcasm works.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Unironically Facebook is fairly reliable for what you're describing. It nags you with a login popup regularly, but beyond that everything important is readable even without an account.

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