arty

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[–] arty@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Your words made me look again into the documentation:

If your APT configuration mentions additional sources besides bookworm, or if you have installed packages from other releases or from third parties, then to ensure a reliable upgrade process you may wish to begin by removing these complicating factors.

I hadn’t realized that "removing these complicating factors" meant removing these packages, not just disabling their repositories. The wording is terribly vague.

Now I don’t say anything against your experience and the conclusions it has led you to.

But my experience was that only repositories were automatically disabled and packages stayed in their place. The upgrades went through smoothly, things did not break. Were I forced to uninstall these packages and look for their replacements afterwards, I’d be quite annoyed. Maybe not as much as you, when you were forced to reinstall the system.

I’ll conclude for myself that both paths can lead to happy outcomes as well as to poor outcomes. Thank you for sharing!

[–] arty@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Well, people do not follow instructions and their systems get broken 🤷 To a much larger extent than an orphaned package

[–] arty@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I had smooth sailing with Ubuntu for many years, but I don't judge other people's choices

[–] arty@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago

Wow, what a catch! I should really pay more attention to people… Okay, this person having a really terrible upgrade would perfectly explain what I’m seeing.

Here’s a gold star for winning this topic 🌟

[–] arty@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Is this worse than an upgrade which breaks the system?

[–] arty@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What do you think of the observation that Linux@lemmy.ml had a surprising amount of reports of bungled upgrades?

[–] arty@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

Oh, that’s bad luck… Sorry to hear that!

[–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

Yes, the change of the Lemmy user base was on my list of possible causes

[–] arty@feddit.org 0 points 3 days ago

Thank you, I see what you mean. I think there’s a flaw in this logic, but I would rather not dive deeper into this topic.

[–] arty@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

they release unreleased and/or unstable software

Is this true even for the point LTS releases?

[–] arty@feddit.org 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The first two pages of Linux@lemmy.ml show me 6 entries about such upgrades 🤷 Do you subscribe to this community?

[–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

Thank you! This selection bias was one of the possibilities I’ve considered…

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submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by arty@feddit.org to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

So a new major version of Debian has been released, and now I see a lot of complaints about various issues stemming from an upgrade. I do not remember this many after an LTS Ubuntu version. I don't want to rush to conclusions like "Ubuntu has money for better quality assurance". I can easily come up with explanations for why these statistics can be skewed, like "Ubuntu-loving plebeians do not come to complain to elite Lemmy users about their puny problems". I'm curious what you think?

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