barsoap

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

To reseason cast iron, you need an oil high in poly-unsaturated fatty acids.

In other words: Linseed.

Though I wouldn't go so far as to say "need". Linseed works much better, builds a nicer patina very quickly, but pretty much any fat works. In practice mine is getting seasoned with olive oil because that's what I have standing around in the kitchen.

Proper technique is much more important in practice: First and foremost heat empty, then add oil and fry, then clean, ideally without degreasing (boiling water and a spatula do wonders), then (if necessary) add a drop of oil and try to rub it off with kitchen tissue, then put back on the stove to dry and maybe polymerise a little. Always have that thin layer of oil otherwise the pan is going to rust.

You can have a perfect patina, if you don't heat up the pan before putting stuff in there things are still going to stick. You can have practically no patina, if you bring up just a single thin layer of any fat up to its smoke point and after that add oil (so the thing isn't completely dry) things aren't going to stick.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Looks more like a bug than performance problem.

If performance problems aren't bugs, what are they? Features?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So now you’re saying your source is useless and not to be trusted?

I was citing that article for a particular reason: To show that the Greek word exists in the German language. Here, have another source.

But your original assertion that the Nazis weren’t into Eugenics is still dead in the water.

I NEVER FUCKING SAID THAT. And you're taking that baseless libel back, right fucking now. Don't you fucking dare call me a Nazi fucking apologist I wouldn't even be alive had my grandfather had a single Jewish grandparent more.

I said they weren't into the word, but preferred ones that were a) not Greek b) German and c) included "race" in some way.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Eugenik (von altgriechisch εὖ eu „gut“ und γένος génos „Geschlecht, Familie“) oder Eugenetik, deutsch auch Erbgesundheitslehre, in der Zeit des Nationalsozialismus (da auch Erbpflege genannt) bzw. in Deutschland[2] meist gleichbedeutend mit Rassenhygiene (vgl. Nationalsozialistische Rassenhygiene), bezeichnet die Anwendung theoretischer Konzepte bzw. der Erkenntnisse der Humangenetik auf die Bevölkerungs- und Gesundheitspolitik bzw. den Gen-Pool einer Population mit dem Ziel, den Anteil positiv bewerteter Erbanlagen zu vergrößern (positive Eugenik) und den negativ bewerteter Erbanlagen zu verringern (negative Eugenik).

Eugenik (from old Greek "good" and "dynasty, family") or Eugenetik, German also "erf health lore", in the time of national socialism (there also called erf maintenance) respectively in Germany mostly synonymous with racial hygiene (cf. national socialist racial hygiene), denotes the application of theoretical concepts respectively insights of human genetics to population and health politics respectively to the gene-pool of a population with the goal of increasing the share of positively evaluated hereditary dispositions (positive Eugenics) and to decrease [the share of] negatively evaluated hereditary dispositions (negative Eugenics).

(my apologies for the quite literal translation I can't be arsed but an AI will do much, much worse on that kind of dense language).

Note the completely neutral actual definition, nothing about race after "denotes". If you scroll past all the racist history to the section 'modern form of eugenics" you see a brief section about abortion, of pre-implantation diagnostics being considered (by some at least) to be eugenics, then next short section on trans- and post-humanist ethics also containing eugenics as a major theme.

I'm not deep into that area either but I don't think racial themes are common among transhumanists.

I don't have access to the book wikipedia cites, but, well:

Die Begriffe Eugenik und Rassenhygiene werden in Deutschland stets synonym verwendet. Einen feinen Unterschied gibt es jedoch: Eugenik hat immer etwas mit Erbgesundheit zu tun

The terms eugenics and racial hygiene are always used synonymously in Germany. A subtle distinction exists, though: Eugenics always has something to do with hereditary health.

So not only does wikipedia misquote the source, the source shouldn't be bloody cited in the first place because it contradicts itself within the span of two sentences: If there's a distinction, they aren't synonymous. Mostly that stuff is just not talked about at all in the public discourse, I'd be very sceptical about inferring any distinctions from practically non-existent use of those terms.

"respectively in Germany mostly synonymous with" also doesn't make any sense, really. Semantically speaking: Respectively to what? German uses the word all the time this is a very very sloppy use I can't make heads and tails of what it's actually intended to mean.


Are we actually arguing about the use of the word in Germany, though. All, literally all I actually said about my opinion on the issue is, I quote:

If anti-racist biologists want to reclaim the word, or even appropriate it as the case may be, I’m not going to call them racists over it. That needs to be judged by the practices.

That's all. Literally all. That's my opinion on the matter. If you want to criticise something, criticise that, don't go off on tangents.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Yeah that’s not whose arguing we should put call genetic modification eugenics.

I'm sorry but that sentence doesn't parse for me.

And the Germans didn’t use an English word? Shocking. Truly shocking.

It's not an English but Greek word and yes it exists in German. Nazis (unsurprisingly) weren't big on loan words but it doesn't end there: The non-racially charged German word would be Erbgesundheitslehre, erm, "erf health lore". Just as neutral as a term as "genome health theory" would be. But that's not what the Nazis used, they specifically used a term that included "race".

One factor that comes to mind which would make me, if I were a geneticist, argue in favour of the term would be people using the term "eugenics" to smear things like screening and IFV to get rid of Hutchinson's. Sure the field has plenty of ethical question marks but much of it is perfectly kosher, yet there's people who are opposed on principle and are fighting hella dirty. Re-claiming, even appropriating the term then gets you out of the defensive.

But, as said: I don't have a skin in the game. As said, there's arguments for and against.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

The Nazis absolutely loved Eugenics. The entire Western world did. The Nazis literally made it a required subject in grade school.

I was talking about words. Said required subject was called Rassenlehre, very much not a calque of eugenics.

There’s no need to resurrect the name or practices when we’re talking about actual genetic science.

If anti-racist biologists want to reclaim the word, or even appropriate it as the case may be, I'm not going to call them racists over it. That needs to be judged by the practices.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (8 children)

It's first and foremost a word meaning as much as "good stock", or, more modern, "good genes". Nazis didn't actually use it, at least not prominently, they were all about "racial hygiene" -- very different implications.

As to "specifically developed" I'm not so sure I don't know enough about Galton. What I do know is that he first did e.g. twin studies to figure out the relative importance of nature vs. nurture and stuff. People motivated by hate don't tend to be that thorough meaning if he had more information he might've ended up on the other side of the fence but as said I don't know nearly enough about his work to actually draw conclusions, ask a literary critic or such.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

This isn’t Eugenics.

There's a debate about that ongoing, whether the word and basic idea can be divorced from its history with scientific racism. I don't really have a skin in the game but would like to point out that psychiatry didn't cease to be called psychiatry when we stopped physically abusing inmates, showing them off to gawkers, whatnot, got rid of phrenology, etc. You can make arguments both for "we must start from a clean slate" as well as "let's own the bullshit of the past to have something to teach students to not do".

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (12 children)

Imagine you carry the Huntington’s gene. How much would you pay to make sure you don’t pass that down to your kids?

Nothing. That's what health insurance is for. Also practically noone has any issues with preimplantation diagnostics when it comes to things that are clearly genetic diseases, what rubs people the wrong way is a) selecting by bullshit criteria, e.g. sex, eye colour, curliness of hair, whatever, b) making designer babies the default at the expanse of erm wild ones, worst of all, c) the combination.

And ethics aside the arguments should be obvious it's also a bad idea from the POV of the honest eugenicist: Humanity's genetic diversity is already low as it is it would be fatal to allow things like fashions to narrow it down even more.

Humanity is already shaping its own selection criteria, we might need to start doing something extra to avoid evolving ourselves into a corner by non-PID means. Random example: C-Sections. No mother or baby should die in childbirth, yet, the selective pressure towards more uncomplicated births getting removed might, over many many many generations, leave us with very few women who would survive a natural birth which doesn't sound like a good situation for a species to be in, to be reliant on technology to even reproduce. Thus is might become prudent to artificially select for e.g. wide-hip genes.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

I feel like I understand nothing about the nix language

Pure lazy unityped lambda calculus, basically a lazy lisp with records instead of lists. Or a pure, lazy, lua.

Pure is important because reproducibility, lazy is important to not have to evaluate all of nixpkgs before you can build anything, lambda calculus well it needs to be turing complete, support things like functions in in some way though TC is only used very, very very deep down in the system. They literally use the y-combinator to do recursion, like when bootstrapping stdenv.

The syntax is unintuitive, yes, but aside from the semicolon cancer actually not that bad. My biggest gripe with the language is it not having a proper type system, like you put a list where a string is expected or the other way around and you get five screenfuls of backtrace through the whole evaluation stack and due to laziness the actual location of the error might not even be in there.

A replacement is actually already in the pipeline.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

A simple web search is going to hit their massive distributed DB to return answers in subsecond time.

It's going to hit an index, not the actual data, it's going to return approximate and not accurate results. Tons of engineering been done around basic search precisely to get more data locality.

Read a blog post at some time (please don't ask me where) talking about Bing vs. Google when Bing started to use ChatGPT and it basically boiled down to "Google has the tech to do it, they don't roll it out because they don't want to eat the electricity bill this is MS spending money to get market share". The cost difference in providing search vs. having ChatGPT answer a question was something like 10x. It might not be that way forever what with beating models down to work in trinary and stuff, though (that's not just massive quantisation but also much easier maths, convolutions don't need much maths when all you deal with is -1, 0, 1 IIRC you can throw out the multiplication unit and work with nothing but shifts and adds)

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

But there’s one agency/department/guy (I seriously don’t know) who has to confirm that the data of our staging system reached their system and was processed correctly.

There's no "their system": The boxes under the desks of civil servants are managed by dataport, talking to backend infrastructure managed by dataport.

If there's some new administrative procedure agencies or ministries want their civil servants to do and it can't be implemented because it's under-specced or just incoherent then dataport gets to send that spec back saying "fix your shit": It's not like the agencies have a choice in who's running their infrastructure. The tax office can't do jackshit if the fire inspector doesn't like their new plans either. If things are implemented as specced and people complain and want a rework then dataport can say "well it's your budget, not ours". If they do that all the time at some point the court of accounts will take them aside for a polite conversation. Just this one thing, making IT external to whatever it is that the agency is doing, provides lots of accountability.

That is: The solution isn't so much to eradicate bullshit but to make sure that it stays in the silo where it got generated.

but if all their clients are overworked, understaffed or straight up incompetent

I'll just leave this here.

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