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You must live in a pretty privileged country if you can compare the LGBT rights movement to the anti-slavery movement, a nice "it's done, let's go have some beers now" state of things, eh?

It's certainly not so clear cut in a lot of the world. People are still fighting for their rights and pride is part of it.

If you were in 1850s or 1860s in the US, hell, even some time after that, and your company said "We support black people's rights", that would be very political. Morally the right message to put out, but you suddenly lose half your customers and a bunch of idiots want to kill you. Not a smart business move tbh. Now if you said that for years in a row and then decided "We'll stop our black people's rights campaign", now you're making a whole new political statement, in the exact opposite direction to the original one, and significantly worse. Now you're also alienating the people who DO agree with what you originally said, and hoping that the people you originally alienated, are coming back. They are not.

I didn't say cancelling it was neutral. I was commenting on the people's opinions that companies should take stances.

Jagex here, clearly already took a stance (they had pride for several years) and then canceled it last minute after already announcing event dates for this year. That's straight up cowardice on their part. Like I've said before - if you're going to do pride as a company, fucking stick to your guns or you'll reveal you were never really an ally.

I first noticed the shift in pop culture around 2003. There was a russian pop singer duo/band called tatu. Terrible music, but they kissed in their one hit wonder music video.

Unrelated rant following:

Back in around 2002-2003 as I started becoming cognitive enough to appreciate different artists and styles, I didn't have Internet at home (Eastern Europe yay), but we had a couple of non-local TV channels somehow. One being VIVA (the German channel, not the UK one), which at some time of day just played the week's top 100 hits for Germany, many of which were one hit wonders. Tatu was one of them, though they were more of a 1.5 hit wonder (they're not gonna get us was half a hit compared to the big one).

This was wonderful, because it got me hearing all kinds of music as a 7 year old that I normally wouldn't have. Where the hell else was I going to hear The Rasmus - In The Shadows, a bunch of songs by Eminem, and then suddenly Las Ketchup Song? Or for something way less commonly known: Travel Time by Starsplash

Not the person you replied to, but agree with them to some degree, at least on the fact that any strong political stances are dangerous for a business.

If I ran a service and gay people are celebrating pride on it, that's none of my business and they can keep on doing whatever they want. Similarly, if conservatives want to throw a straight party without outright saying gay people deserve fewer rights, it's fucking weird, but it's their business. The moment anyone advocates for harming someone else, THAT's when it becomes a problem for me. Goal of a business, in my opinion, is to serve as many people as possible.

I just wouldn't want to voice support for, or against, anyone's rights, as a business. It's horrible that LGBT rights are a politicized issue, sure. But if I ran a business, and there are 30% otherwise quite well-behaved customers who would drop my business because I changed my logo to a rainbow colored one... I just don't see myself doing that. If I'm providing a service at the best price/quality ratio, it would just mean they drop me to go pay a homophobic business owner even more money for the same service. Does that actually benefit anyone, other than the hypothetical homophobic business owner?

But the worst, most cowardly thing, is supporting LGBT rights and then WITHDRAWING that support. If you're political already, fucking stick to your beliefs. Don't abandon them the second the political landscape starts changing.

No, it's definitely political. So was the Civil Rights movement in the US. So was Womens' suffrage.

Pushing for change is political, even if it's nearly universally agreed that the particular change is necessary and good. I agree with LGBT rights and as far as I care, they can have a month long pride if they want, it doesn't in any way chafe my willy. However, I agree with the person you replied to. As a business, ANY stance on ANY political cause risks alienation of some part of your customer base. Doing a 180 on your stance like Jagex did is of course the worst thing you can do, because then you alienate the people who agreed with you, but the others will still remember when you disagreed with them. Once they decided to do pride, they should've fucking stuck to it, at least for the year where they already had events scheduled!

If I ran a public-facing business at all, it would have literally no political allegiance or opinions. No stance on LGBT rights, no political donations (not really a huge thing in my country anyway), etc. Just do my thing, provide a great service, make sure my employees and customers are happy, and... The LGBT folks can do whatever they want, I'm just not voicing support for them as a business. Even if I as a person root for equal rights, I just don't want to take a stance as a business owner. Donations to charities, including LGBT charities, are fine - I just don't want it to be particularly public. But then I just prefer privacy in these kinds of matters.

I feel like Android and Linux (being that it's what Android itself is based on) do the whole "everything is an app" much better than, say, Windows. On Windows, generally speaking, your entire desktop experience is built-in and so tightly coupled that it's hard to switch it out. On Linux, you don't NEED a GUI at all, but if you want one, you'll have a display server, a window manager, etc. On Android, at least without the desktop mode, the base GUI is the launcher, which is just an app.

System apps that require root access are still apps. Of course the kernel isn't really an app and I don't think Google Play Services fits most people's definitions of an app. System libraries aren't apps. So those are the parts that you could consider true "OS updates" as opposed to "app updates", but since the "apps" part of the system (if you include system apps) is so much more visible to the user, an OS update will seem like it's mostly a bunch of app updates.

Yeah I actually liked the whole Vista/7 era Windows looks. Didn't like anything else about Vista but that wasn't Windows Aero's fault.

Isn't that what Whatsapp and Telegram are already used for?

I mean yeah, you're right about the desktop mode, but 90% of new user facing features are going to be in one app or another generally.

Technically the desktop mode itself might also be an app, though a window manager or desktop environment isn't something we conventionally think of as an app.

No idea when I'll get to touch a new enough Android to play with it. My old Oneplus is on shaky custom rom support and my daily driver is an iPhone (which will likely get much longer software support and is newer to begin with)

Everything in Android is an app tbh, even the launcher is a completely normal app.

Man it's porn, not guns. Children should not be near it!

Oh wait this is France

Anyway, I agree with you. We're talking about regular ol garden variety porn. Everyone will probably see it at some point. Parents can limit what their kids see until the kids become smart enough to bypass filters. At which point they can probably handle seeing pennis n vagene.

Good ol' Anja und Katja definitely helped me out in my teenage years.