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Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? in c/fediverse@lemmy.world

[–] breden@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I like to emphasize " if both wish to".

If that's included in your view, then what's the point of using a unified protocol? At that point we're more backwards than just using a SSO for everything.

You're probably right on me completely misidentifying the fediverse for what it is, as i expected something like resources shared forums for everyone, but got greeted by admin drama as soon as leaving lemmy for a second. In that sense the fediverse really got a PR issue and users here acting high and mighty to someone not getting their perfect system truly isn't helping it.

Gonna wait for bluesky to play out. ATproto seems a lot more than what i initially expected from activitypub.

Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? in c/fediverse@lemmy.world

[–] breden@reddthat.com -4 points 8 months ago

As far as I understand it, content posted to one server gets stored on every federated server for the other server's users to see.

This is wrong, else every self hosted instance would've been a storage nightmare.

There have been instances that were defederated for posting nazi / racist content, and CSAM

I assume the later is something CP? Yes, those are legimite cases, just like spam/DdoS, but even then in every case i've seen yet, a Limit would've been enough. A pretty good example seems to be qoto.

Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? in c/fediverse@lemmy.world

[–] breden@reddthat.com -2 points 8 months ago

Please enlighten me then. I'm completely oblivious besides everyone here turning into condescending tones without giving proper answers.

Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? in c/fediverse@lemmy.world

[–] breden@reddthat.com -4 points 8 months ago (7 children)

A user should be able to interact with every other user if both wish to.

That's the problem, as that isn't possible right now, unless your twitter circle took just the right instances for themselves. Sure there is self hosting, but down that road of argument eventually everyone will be self hosting.

Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? in c/fediverse@lemmy.world

[+] breden@reddthat.com -14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Why are you acting condescending while do your best to miss the point?

They absolutely have to look at the ad first

No, they don't. That's what Limit is for.

Its the same reason we have billion dollar corpos in the first place Now we start to gain on those companies

Who said something about billion dollar corpos?

Looking away is exactly the analogy that fits and you know it.

I don't. Please explain if you know better than i do.

Would I like to nuke meta

Who said something about Meta?

They can leave to one of the other thousands of fediverse servers.

Which are just as likely to be blocked for arbitrary reasons or blocklist bullying. A simple, but prominent example is mastodon.art.

I‘m not sure if you‘re oblivious to this by design. Its the same issue with leaving a co* untry or state that imposes laws you dont like. Does it make more sense to vote? Absolutely.

Yet.. you can't vote..

You‘d be very happy on the threads side of federation from what I hear.

Again, nice of you to assume things for me.

You’re welcome to make your own instance that is totally free for all corpos to exploit and show us all how great that works.

Last but not least, who said something about corps?

To be civil and adjourn to your argument, sure, i hate Meta like the next one and they should be cut off by design, but that was never the point. I am just advocating for a streamlined user experience where one account can interact with everyone, if they choose to do so. A default black veil by admins is perfectly fine to move their instance in the right direction, but why should it be more than that? Every further action is authoritarian and undemocratic.

Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? in c/fediverse@lemmy.world

[–] breden@reddthat.com -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

"People can just look away!" is a terrible analogy cause they wouldn't have to look at an ad if it is hidden. Yet at limiting they would still be able to walk into their store and buy something. Right now blocking is removing the ad, the store and all its personal altogether.

"People who are unhappy can just leave." is the same argument you are trying to impose. To where, i ask you. Nevermind needing to leave your current toots all behind, it's a terrible suggestion and horrible UX.

Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? in c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? (reddthat.com)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by breden@reddthat.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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In short i just jumped into the whole Mastodon blocking drama and am somewhat disappointed to see it as childish as reddit's power mod drama. Accelerated by the fact that a Limit/Mute option exist just fine, i wonder why Block/Defederation is an option at all. It only moves power from the user to admins without anything in return. With just Mute, as far as i can tell, one still wouldn't have to look on certain instances, but could interact/whitelist certain individuals and we'd get rid of the multi account requirement overnight. So why isn't it that way?

Edit: For those annoyed by the same siloing issues, look into ATProto. Bluesky may be a big unknown, but the protocol itself looks a lot more promising in terms of user freedom.

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[–] breden@reddthat.com 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Have you tried contacting your government for this issue? From my experience public services are often open about Mastodon once they realize it's the same thing as Twitter, but accessible to everyone.