But you seem to have missed the heading of the post? Bitwarden still (after many months) has not rolled out passkeys to mobile devices. That was actually the point of the post, and Bitwarden needs to start innovating a bit faster as others are overtaking in regard to passkeys. So, you can't be using Bitwarden for your passkey logins on mobile?
danie10
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They're mostly using WhatsApp and I deleted all Meta-owned apps. So, yes if they want to reach me they need to send a text message as most apart from 5 or 10 have never bothered to install Signal, Telegram, SimpleX, Threema, Briar, Jami, etc that I am on.
The whole point of RCS was to replace text SMS. The last year or two has seen one mobile provider after the next adopting it. That was the point of RCS, to get beyond a zero encryption text message and text messages that are very expensive in 3rd world countries. So a lot of it was focussed on mobile operators. It has to be enabled actually by mobile operators to work.
The point of the post was that Proton Pass is beating Bitwarden right now to having passkeys for mobile (Bitwarden has still not released that), and Proton Pass can actually export passkeys which Bitwarden does not do, so they are improving. I would not say though they are better all round than Bitwarden. I pay for both but am still evaluating the rest of Proton Pass vs Bitwarden especially around tweaks in options. But Proton is showing some innovation and momentum, while Bitwarden is slowing a bit. For those already using Proton they will likely find Proton Pass good enough to use right now.
True and Matrix is very versatile if you look at what Beeper achieved. Yet it has been around a long time and has never gone big time. The thing though with replacing text SMS, is it has to also comply with what the mobile phone companies use at that level, and I don't Matrix has ever pitched that to them? This is not about the high level messaging we do at app level.
Well, at least say WHY? We know we can't trust Apple (because of the recent backdoor that had to be closed down), Facebook because of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, Microsoft because the NSA were given first access to vulnerabilities before patching), the NSA because of the CLOUD Act), etc as these are all documented, analysed and reported on. Your comment really adds zero value to the debate. Proton is under Swiss law for a start, which has a way higher barrier to entry for law enhancement to get any access to metadata. In the USA the law enforcement just buys that data from data brokers. Proton is not in the business of advertising.
A problem I've noticed is I've had one person using RCS, then a month or two later I noticed they'd reverted to text. They seemed to know nothing about RCS and claims they never disabled it. So not sure if that was maybe a phone upgrade. Others I've not had issues with.
The thing also is we can't replace text SMS unless that mode can be phased out, so it needs everyone to adopt whatever the next step is.
The "better" though is over plain text SMS message which we have to pay per message. I use Signal but less than a handful of friends use it so it does not help me much on that front.
True, just hope they eventually get passkeys for mobile.
It will be when SMS s phased out. That was why it has been a long, uphill battle to get the mobile phone providers to buy in. That has to happen before SMS can disappear. That is why no other "messenger/chat apps" need mobile provider buy-in. RCS happens at carrier level, and not as an installable 3rd party app. It's exactly why it will be adopted by everyone as it is designed to replace SMS.