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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I understand it. And I understand that it is bullshit. It is an attempt to emotionally distance oneself from the consequences of one's own choices. If one chooses for an animal to be killed, one is responsible for its death, and playing little semantic games cannot change that fundamental reality. But these games do prevent one from fully processing an idea that threatens them. It's how you brainwash yourself. Groom yourself to be able to commit cruelty and violence, and not feel bad about it.

To even engage in such sophistry is to confess one's guilt.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You also don't address the fact that carnists have poorer B12 levels than vegans. I am willing to bet that the only time you ever care or think about B12 is when you want to argue against ethical veganism. Have you ever had your B12 serum level checked? Have you ever tried to calculate your required daily intake or your actual daily intake? Obviously not. This is a disingenuous argument right from the beginning. You are working backwards from the conclusion you wish to reach and using any rationalization you can lay your hands on.

It is obvious you don't actually know what you are talking about, which is darkly ironic considering your accusations. You are arguing for what you want to be true, but you have been careful to keep yourself ignorant of what IS true, because if you knew then you might have to change.

To be fair, capital and social forces have conspired to help you remain ignorant.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No disrespect intended, but you are out of your depth and seemingly don't realize it. You should not be nearly this confident. Instead of googling, "vegans need b12", you should have googled: "cows b12 injection" and come up with some of these hits:

https://morningchores.com/b12-for-livestock/

https://www.drugs.com/vet/vitamin-b-12-1000-mcg-injection.html

https://au.virbac.com/products/sheep-cattle-nutrition/hy-b12-vitamin

https://nz.virbac.com/products/trace-elements/smartshot-b12

https://farmanimal.elanco.com/au/sheep/product-directory/cobalife-vb12

While this 20 seconds of research does not establish that supplementing B12 is actually necessary for livestock, it does go towards establishing that it is an industry-wide practice.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)
[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I pointed out that they are making it up

Is that what you think you are doing??

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I think you meant to say, "no, you don't, and I won't look at any evidence to the contrary, la la la, i cannot hear you, la la la"

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Unfortunately for you, in observational studies, vegans on average have better serum B12 levels than carnists do. If you're suggesting you can get enough B12 purely through a diet of animal products, you've misunderstood nutritional science.

Do you know how B12 gets into your meat? It is injected there. ANIMALS CANNOT PRODUCE B12. Just take the fucking supplements instead of using murdered animals as a delivery system for the exact same fucking supplements.

And maybe, if you are trying to sound educated on a subject, do more than a single solitary google search.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Veganism is not a moral system, it is an ethical system. Before we continue, do you understand the difference?

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

I didn't say they had the same value. I said they had value. Consuming them for hedonistic pleasure is only ethically consistent with the view that animals have effectively zero or even negative intrinsic value.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Okay? So?

Being cruel and violent to innocent creatures requires that you learn to suspend your empathy. Being cruel and violent to innocent creatures EVERY SINGLE DAY requires that you main your empathy, to actually injure yourself and impair your ability to be empathetic AT ALL.

To respond to your apparent non sequitur, I value compassion and empathy. Don't you?

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Why can't we?? Meat is a luxury product!! The only reason you can afford it at all is because I subsidize it so heavily with my taxes. It is made by refining cheap, safe, plentiful plant food using the bodies of animals to create a toxic, addictive, scarce luxury good. In that process, MOST OF THE NUTRIENTS ARE LOST. If we all stopped eating meat, we would have such an overabundance of food, we would have to stop farming more than half the land we are currently farming for plants.

Now tell me why YOU can't stop being cruel and violent against the kindest, gentlest creatures on the planet? Because even if you can come up with a tortured hypothetical reason some unlikely hypothetical person can't, if you can, then what you are doing is atrocity.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You should be just as confident that animals are having experiences as you are that your fellow human beings are. They TELL you that they are having experiences. Have you never known an non-human mammal in your life?

If you were emotionally motivated to think of Irish people as not having the same full experience of life and suffering that you do (perhaps they taste good, or perhaps you have a coal mine their children labour in) you will find that you can convince yourself that they don't. You are engaging in a set of obvious psychological defense mechanisms to protect your worldview that lacks any coherent ethical structure against ideas that are ethically consistent.

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