That's good news. Odds are that some of those people will go back to closed media platforms after ~2 months; but the ones who stay help Mastodon and the Fediverse to grow.
lvxferre
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I'm almost sure.
Your typical instance only defeds another as a last case scenario, due to deep divergences or because of blatantly shitty admin or user behaviour. But, past that, they're still willing to let some shit to go through - because if you defederate too many other instances, with no good reason, you're only hurting yourself.
That's simply not enough to create those "corners". Specially when all this "nerds vs. normies*" thing is all about depth - for example the normie wants some privacy, but the nerd goes all in, but they still care about the same resources.
*I hate this word but it's convenient here.
I get what you say, and I agree; but when it comes to the average user I wonder if they'll even get it. They don't think on the grounds of a "protocol" or a "platform", it used to be "site" and now "app". They do it even with email, of all things, even if it's one of the oldest cross-platform protocols out there!
They tolerate each other enough to get each into a corner and not interact much.
And yet that is not what we see in the Fediverse. Those "corners" don't exist here.
The people here and their attitude towards people who don’t agree with them are the problem.
And that's a structural problem. The ActivityPub was supposed to allow both the "average person" and the "nerd" to coexist in the same platform, without one getting too much in the way of the other; it doesn't.
I'm not sure on a good solution for that.
It's all fun and games until venture capital kicks in, and exploits that central user data store to further centralise the rest of the network. Even then yes, I think that Mastodon has a lot to learn with Bluesky, on how to make user experience smoother.
Federation woes?
Your comment has a different take though, and adding value to the discussion, it isn't just the same as I said. Both are complementary.
Even more accurately: it's bullshit.
"Lie" implies that the person knows the truth and is deliberately saying something that conflicts with it. However the sort of people who spread misinfo doesn't really care about what's true or false, they only care about what further reinforces their claims or not.
Predictable outcome for anyone not wallowing in wishful belief.
My concerns about the "immigration leftover" is not their opposing views, but their behaviour. I don't want to deal with the "waaah the world revolves around my belly, why are you too stupid to understand that?" crowds and their incessant whining.
The drop is slowing down considerably:
| Month | Users | Change from previous month | in % |
|---|---|---|---|
| Mar | 53687 | N/A | N/A |
| Apr | 51298 | -2389 | -4.5% |
| May | 48832 | -2466 | -4.8% |
| Jun | 48472 | -360 | -0.74% |
| Jul | 47297 | -1175 | -2.4% |
| Aug | 47876 | +579 | +1.2% |
| Sep | 47227 | -649 | -1.4% |
| Oct | 45037 | -2190 | -4.6% |
| Nov | 44837 | -200 | -0.44% |
And given that March was a peak, I'm tempted to interpret it as newbies not sticking around. I think that it'll plateau around 40k users, then provided that the conditions remain the same it won't increase or decrease.
That's why I say that it's stable - the core userbase will likely stick around.
That said, these numbers may particularly be bad, e.g. if anyone left Lemmy and went to Mbin and/or PieFed, then I think they would not be counted in those charts?
They wouldn't be counted but I don't think that this introduces a lot of inaccuracy. Mbin has 1.7k MAUs, and PieFed has 104.
The number of instances dropping is far more concerning IMO. It means that smaller instances have a hard time becoming sustainable.
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I'll copypaste an interesting comment here:
You don't even need robots replacing humans, or people believing so. All you need is people feeling that you're profiting at their expense.
Also obligatory "If you're not paying for the product, then you are the product".