masimatutu

joined 11 months ago
[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah unfortunately I can't because I'm on Friendica and Lemmy is annoying in that it treats images differently from the rest of the Fediverse.

This link should work: files.catbox.moe/stvn1w.jpg

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

No complaints so far. I'm not using many new features, but I really like the new user interface.

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

For some weird reason in the implementation of the AP protocol, lemmy posts are seems as just a link on mastodon, the replies are complete though.

ActivityPub allows two post formats, Notes and Articles. Articles support titles and therefore posts on Lemmy and threads on /kbin use them, while notes do not and are therefore used for microblogging and commenting. Currently Mastodon's article federation only goes so far as linking the post for content, and to be honest I'm doubtful whether Threads will federate Articles at all given their carefulness with federation.

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You're confusing defederation with Lemmy's instance blocking. Defederation means that none of a server's content is federated. Lemmy's new instance blocking feature, however, only blocks communities and not users.

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That's not how federation works. If you're on an instance that doesn't allow Threads, you won't see them at all, even when viewing posts coming from other instances.

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 2 points 11 months ago

Also,

We are on lemmy.

I'm not ;)

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

You know that if you actively blocked the instances that are federated with Threads you wouldn't have seen this post, right (lemmy.world/instances)? I'm also only active on instances that block Threads, but blocking those who don't is an excessive measure.

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The thing is, you don't really see anything from the Microblogging Fediverse around here at all, do you, so why would you from Threads? And Meta will only explicitly collect your data if you follow one of their accounts, which is impossible from Lemmy. So in a Lemmy context it is quite irrelevant.

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net -2 points 11 months ago (7 children)

But they won't. Seeing how little even the relatively federation-conscious Mastodonians interact with Lemmy, from Threads it will be close to zero (especially since the devs are very "careful" with federation and probably won't display article-formatted posts anytime soon).

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

No, that's just Lemmy. On Masto it blocks all interactions from users (including prohibiting them from following you and therefore fetching your posts).

 

Mastodon has the responsibility to promote diversity in the Fediverse

I love the Threadiverse. Compared to the microblogging Fediverse’s sea of random thoughts, Lemmy and kbin are so much easier to navigate with the options to sort posts by subscribed, from local instances or everything federated. You can also sort by individual community, and then there are the countless ways to order the posts and comments (which are stored neatly under the main post, by the way). That people can more easily find the right discussions and see where they can contribute also means that the discussions tend to be more focused and productive than elsewhere. Decentralisation also makes a lot of sense, since it is built around different communities. All that’s needed is users.

Things were going quite well for a while when Reddit killed third-party apps, prompting many to leave and find the Threadiverse. However, it is quite difficult to entertain a crowd that has grown accustomed to a constant bombardment of dopamine-inducing or interesting content by tens of millions of users, if you only have a couple hundred thousand people. This is causing some to leave, which of course increases this effect. The active users have more than halved since July, according to FediDB. The mood is also becoming more tense. Maybe the lack of engagement drives some to cause it through hostility, I’m not quite sure. Either way, the Threadiverse becoming a less enjoyable place to be, which is quite sad considering how promising it is.

But what is really frustrating is that we could easily have that userbase. The entire Fediverse has over ten million users, and many Mastodonians clearly want to engage in group-based discussion, looking at Guppe groups. The focused discussions should also be quite attractive. Technically we are federated, so why do Mastodonians interact so little with the Threadiverse? The main reason is that Mastodon simply doesn’t federate post content. I really can’t see why the platform that federates entire Wordpress blogs refuses to federate thread content just because it has a title, and instead just replaces the body with a link to the post. Very unhelpful.

The same goes with PeerTube. There are plenty of videos on there that I am quite sure a lot of Mastodonians would appreciate, yet both views and likes there stay consistently in the tens. Yes, Mastodon’s web interface has a local video player, but in most clients it is the same link shenanigans, may may partly explain the small amount of engagement. This is also quite sad, because Google’s YouTube is one of the worst social network monopolies out there, if not the worst.

And I know some might say that Mastodon is a microblogging platform and that it makes sense only to have microblogging content, but the problem is that Mastodon is the dominant platform on the Fediverse, its users making up close to 80% of all Fedizens. It has gone so far that several Friendica and Hubzilla users have been complaining about complaints from Mastodonians that their posts do not live up to Mastodon customs, and of course, that people frequently use “Mastodon” to refer to the entire Fediverse. This, of course, goes entirely against the idea of the Fediverse, that many diverse platforms live in harmony with and awareness of each other.

The very least that Mastodon could do is to support the content of other platforms. Then I’d wish that they’d improve discoverability, by for instance adding a videos tab in the explore section, improving federation of favourites since it is the dominant sorting mechanism on many other platforms, and making a clear distinction between people (@person@instance) and groups (!group@instance), but I know that that is quite much to ask.

P.S. @feditips , @FediFollows , I know that you are reluctant to promote Lemmy and its communities because of the ideology of its founders, but the fact is firstly that it’s open source and there aren't any individual people who control the entire project, and that the software itself is very apolitical. In fact, most Lemmy users both oppose and are on instances that have rules against such beliefs, so I highly encourage you to at least help raise awareness on the communities. Then, of course, there’s kbin, which isn’t associated with any extremism at all. As a bonus, it has much better integration with the microblogging Fediverse, but it is a lot smaller and younger, and still very much under development.

Anyways, that was a ramble. Thanks for hearing me out.

@fediverse #fediverse #threadiverse #mastodon #lemmy #kbin

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