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I mean ChatGPT can't do it but humans can and are... Why do you think Microsoft / Apple / Google are all introducing NPU / AI coprocessing chips?

The new ARM powered surface laptops that consume like 30W of power are more capable of running an AI model than my gaming PC from 2 years ago that consumes ~300W of power.

So we absolutely should pay special attention to industries that are hogging a lot of energy. Xboxes and especially vibrators spend way less energy than data centers - though again, moving gaming on PCs and developing better dumb gaming terminals to use this computing power while playing with controllers in a living room is an absolute win for the environment.

Bruh, this is flat out a lie.

No, xboxes do not use less power when they are in your house then when they are in a data center. Servers and data center computers (including the xboxs powering xcloud), are typically more power efficient when running in optimized and monitored data centers, where they are liquid cooled with heat pumps, than when running in your dusty ass house running a fan and your houses' AC to cool them.

The power consumption of video games, if you add up every console while playing them, every server running the multiplayer and updates, and every dev machine crunching away, is a massive waste of economically unproductive energy.

The person above is right. If you want to address the climate crisis, slap a carbon tax on the cost of pollution, don't artificially pick and choose what you think is worthwhile based on your gut.

Ban all 4K video then.

First gen, 4k video rendering without hardware support also consumed orders of magnitude more power than any other common thing before it, good thing we banned it, instead of you know, just letting the technology mature and develop for a couple years til we had hardware chips that could do it for almost no power.

Hell, video games are less useful for the world than AI and they consume orders of magnitude more power than ChatGPT, so let's ban them too right?

This is absolutely false. GitHub Copilot (and it's competitors) alone are already actively helping and assisting virtually every software developer around the world, and highly structured coding languages are just the easiest lowest hanging fruit.

Yes we are heading to a climate disaster because of greed, but that has nothing to do with AI.

We can solve entire new classes of problems that we never could before.

Your problems are with capitalism and how we distribute our resources, not with advancements in automation.

So it takes 700,000 litres of water to cool a machine eh? Think about a water cooled PC, now, is that water cooled PC hooked up to your sink and continuously draining water? Or did you fill it up one time and then at the end when you're done with it, dump the water back down the drain?

700,000 litres of water in a closed loop cooling system is not a problem in any way shape or form.

This is a bad article, with a misleading headline.

It shows no direct connection between the two, it just talks about how AI models are less power efficient than search engines, and then talks about how all industries including normal, non AI data centers, manufacturing, etc, are all increasing power usage.

I mean, it's all runing on general purpose hardware. If we decoded 4k video on general purpose hardware we'd use more power than every AI company put together, but once that became popular we developed chips capable of decoding it at the hardware level that consume barely any power.

And the exact same thing is starting to happen with dedicated machine learning chips / NPUs.

Someone posted a shitty article about AI and power usage, someone pointed out that literally every industry uses a ton of power but AI gets clicks, you said AI and Crypto bros are the same.

If you don't mean to imply that the counter arguments around AI and Crypto in terms of energy use are the same then write better given the context of the conversation.

And posting another shitty article that just talks about power usage going up across literally all types of industry, including just normal data centers and manufacturing plants, and then vaguely talking about chatGPT's power usage compared to Google search to try and make it sound like those things are connected, is not having a serious discussion about it.

It's skimming a clickbait headline of a clickbait article and regurgitating the implication in it like it's a fact.