masterspace

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 44 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Lol this is asinine.

America let their tech companies get too big to the point that they are all behaving ridiculously anti-competitively, and you think the solution is that the EU should have let their companies get so big that they behave anti-competitively?

This is the EU steeping in to clean up America's mess when it spills over to them.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago

Because Apple saw that and said "hold my beer".

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That's the real gift given by Microsoft:

Once chosen in device setup, the region used for DMA compliance can only be changed by resetting the PC.

Just change your region back to where ever you are after setup. Nothing on your PC outside of the OS will be reading the region set during Windows Install, they'll be asking for the currently set region.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 140 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

PSA: Once this rolls out into the actual downloadable Windows builds, everyone should be able to do this by reinstalling Windows.

European Economic Area PCs

As noted above, some functionality is only available in the EEA. Windows uses the region chosen by the customer during device setup to identify if the PC is in the EEA. Once chosen in device setup, the region used for DMA compliance can only be changed by resetting the PC.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago

There’s no equivalent to a licensed civil engineer in programming.

It's literally called a software engineer in most jurisdictions that aren't America where anyone is allowed to call themselves that. And software engineers also have to take engineering ethics, both courses in university as well as in their final professional exams if they want to call themselves engineers.

Why do you keep adding new parameters to these analogies? It’s such a simple concept but you are determined to prove your opinion, that the devs should acquiesce to your point of view, no matter what.

You're the one who added the "posted online" parameter. I responded and pointed out that it doesn't matter to the analogy.

If you put something dangerous into the world, mark it "ready to use", and encourage people to use it, and that results in them getting hurt or hurting others, then that is a bad thing and you have an obligation to fix it or warn people.  

It’s such a simple concept but you are determined to prove your opinion, that the devs should acquiesce to your point of view, no matter what.

You're right about it being a simple concept, I don' understand where you think I'm demanding anyone do anything. The devs have already acquiesced after the community overwhelmingly dumped on their response. My only point has been that it's not entitled to expect a developer to put a warning on software once they've been alerted that it's dangerous.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Again, you are narrowing the definition of "obligation" to just legal and contractual.

If you just want to think about yourself and how you interact with the world through legal and contractual terms, good luck, it will be hard and miserable and you will be disliked. Otherwise you do have moral, ethical, and social obligations for everything you put into society.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Nope, it's my moral, ethical, and social obligation as a person, my professional obligation as a professional software developer, and if I had bothered to file the paper work for my engineering license, would also be my legal obligation as an engineer.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Again, that does not matter. If an engineer published those plans online and you built it and your kid died they would have their license revoked and face likely criminal liability.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

All I have an obligation to do is give back to society, and I do so through taking care of my parents and grandparents, volunteering teaching classes every weekend at the community center, volunteering to upgrade and maintain an app for a non profit, donating to charity, open source projects and news organizations, helping my elderly neighbours with their snow and leaf clearing, etc.

And if you find one of my open source github projects will cause a user to violate a local law, kindly file an issue and I'll immediately update the README.md and take it down until the issue is fixed.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I understand having frayed nerves, I even understand snapping at someone because you're having a bad day, and I do feel sympathy for the devs, and wouldn't hold this against them (especially since they're at least providing a nuke everything option that will address it).

But the line between entitlement and reasonable expectation is not one of monetary compensation.

Engineering ethics does not let you off the hook just because no one paid you to build what you built. If an engineer goes to the park and unilaterally builds a playground that doesn't meet basic legislated safety standards and kills a kid, they're not off the hook. They will be investigated by their professional body and have their license revoked.

Hell if they just build a playground off in the woods on their own private land but don't take reasonable steps to prevent kids from accessing or using it then they will have their license revoked.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

The word obligation is not as narrow as you're using it:

obligation /ŏb″lĭ-gā′shən/

noun A social, legal, or moral requirement, such as a duty, contract, or promise, that compels one to follow or avoid a particular course of action. "Are you able to meet your obligations?" "I have an obligation to attend their wedding."

Does he have a contractual obligation? No, no contracts were signed. Does he have a legal obligation? No, the license file in the project absolves him of legal liability.

But he absolutely has a moral, social, and professional obligation to do so.

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