meeshen

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[–] meeshen@vegantheoryclub.org 0 points 3 weeks ago

The swastika was swapped out before Russia invaded Ukraine, before Russia tried to claim the "denazifying" shit, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

And I am defending them because it was perfectly adequate snark to point out the hypocrisy of "yeah it's okay, he's Finn after all" when it comes to ugly xenophobia, when Finns themselves have a shitty track record. They did actually literally ally with Nazis, and if we now want to talk about "historical context" then it's fair game to look into shit like refusing to drop what is now a nazi symbol by the official organ of the state, for decades.

Or we could stop running defense for any shitty actions somebody from "our side" does towards anybody else, and do some actual self-crit every once in a while. I've had Russian friends literally get attacked for simply being Russian (and no, not supportive of the invasion) after 2022, so I am not going to shut up when people give xenophobes a free pass, but push back super hard against what is a mild burn at best.

[–] meeshen@vegantheoryclub.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You are free to reclaim the symbols, make an account Cethin88 (it's a birth year!) with a marble statue profile pic, then complain about how it's Nazis' fault you're being misunderstood.

And there is also quite a difference between taking a work from x hundreds of years ago that might incorporate some symbol (like Ancient Roman fasces or swastikas in Eastern Slavic pagan art), and being a modern state that refuses to drop the MAIN nazi symbol. And just so we are clear, the Finnish Air Force did eventually drop the symbol a few years back, I guess it must have been because of woke. Or maybe they actually realized it doesn't look great what with the fascist revival in the entirety of Europe, but many people have had a problem with that for a long time before that already, especially since so many Finns are PROUD of their nazi collaboration history.

[–] meeshen@vegantheoryclub.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Or, hear me out, we don't recapture it because it has a fucked up context. It might not seem like a big deal for those who haven't been close to the terror, but not everybody lives on the other side of the world.

And yeah, using nazi-adjacent eagles or fasces (like your government proudly displays in many symbols) is pretty fucked up too.

[–] meeshen@vegantheoryclub.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

It is bad enough not to remove it for 70 years after the nazi genocide, but I guess Finns get a free pass on anything due to their extremely unique cultural heritage

[–] meeshen@vegantheoryclub.org 2 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

I think the comment was about the Finnish Air Force not dropping a literal swastika from their coat of arms until just a few years back. Like you know, the official government sanctioned Air Force, the whole thing and not just a single batallion