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Your original question didn't mention servers specifically, so teawrecks' interpretation wasn't unreasonable. And 'we'? It was just you and teawrecks in that thread.

By default this applications allows when adding a server, that the communication is not encrypted between the app and the server. This should be configured by default to enforce TLS encryption.

That's not true. For public endpoints, HTTPS is enforced. You can't use HTTP. For private IPs, yes HTTP is allowed. So "by default... not encrypted" is not correct and misleading.

That's an interesting reading of what I said, but not what I said. I didn't write that security doesn't matter because the server is off. I wrote that when nothing leaves the device by default, there is no attack surface to secure. That is the definition of secure by default.

Secure by default means the default configuration is safe. By default, Colota stores location data locally and exposes none of it. If you believe that somehow fails the secure-by-default standard, I'd genuinely like to understand how.

If your actual concern is what happens once a user configures a server, that's a fair discussion but it's a different one. I already addressed that above and I'd be curious to hear a specific objection to that setup rather than a general claim that it's insecure. Server compromise risk is inherent to every self-hosted service. That's not a Colota flaw, that's the model. And "users shouldn't have to manage their own infrastructure" is a philosophical position, not a vulnerability. One that doesn't really fit a tool explicitly built for people who want exactly that control.

So, where’s your VPS? In EU?

It's a VPS hosted by netcup in germany (https://maps.mxd.codes/)

Which refers to a Home Assistant template that doesn’t exist on the app?

Yes, you are right. I have to update the docs there. I removed the HA template because it basically just added the tid which I think is quite easy to add manually.

You don’t have to. You just have the app encrypt the data before it’s backed up and exported.

I already explained several times why that's not realistic for the selfhosted backends.

You could have just written at the beginning that you think it would be a good idea to implement (optional) encrypted backups Independent of the selfhosted backends. Then I would have answered, great idea!

But you continued to reply on a thread about end to end encryption where I specifically mentioned the selfhosted backends.

I understand the usecase but you’re acting like you don’t understand the purpose of encryption,

Have a good day!

Not an absurd question at all. The app uses vector data for the map. Public OpenStreetMap server's only offer raster data which is not compatible and would need way more storage to cover the same area downloaded. Also downloading tiles from openstreetmap servers would violate their tile usage policy.

However there are alternatives e.g. https://openfreemap.org/. I actually had OpenFreemap used before for the app but it uses Cloudflare as CDN which doesn't align with the privacy policy I want to offer for the app which is the reason I setup a own server (vps) which just directly serves the tiles (https://colota.app/docs/guides/tile-server). Also if I would use a external tile server which may go offline for whatever reason there would be nothing I could do about it.

Basically you could use any tile sever which provides mbtiles but I don't know any other free options.

if I install your app on multiple devices, can Home Assistant distinguish between them? Ie does the data nclude a DeviceID of some kind?

Yes it either works with the Colota integration which needs a custom payload attribute to distinguish different devices (e.g. "tid": "colota") or you could use also the Owntracks integration (see https://colota.app/docs/integrations/home-assistant). The API format sent from colota is completly editable.

It's not that I don't want. I can't implement it because I don't offer a server. You would have to address this to the backend developers (Dawarich, GeoPulse or even yourself) who actually store the data.

but there’s no reason to come here pretending not to understand its purpose.

I am understanding your point, but apparently you are not understanding mine which is the actual use case of the app and it's workflows and therefore make it look like it would miss basic security patterns. The whole "location history" ecosystem stores plaintext coordinates.

Encryption does not exist for third parties.

E2E encryption is specifically designed for the third-party problem. Encrypting so a middleman can't read your data.

It exists to protect sensitive data from malicious or state actors who might hack your server and steal the information for various purposes

If a server gets hacked where a user sent data from Colota there is nothing the app can do about it or to prevent it. Also you can create a backend which encrypts the data. Again: Colota does not offer a backend.

Here in the US law enforcement is free to hack and steal and demand whatever they want

I don't think it's the job of an Android app to protect a server from government hacking attacks.

I would prefer single-party encryption vs. integration, personally. Could make it optional.

I understand the concern. The tradeoff is that backends like Dawarich or GeoPulse need to read the coordinates to build timelines, detect trips, display maps, etc. Encrypted blobs would make the server a simple backup at which point the local auto-export to Syncthing/Nextcloud achieves the same thing without the complexity. For pure backup, the offline + file export workflow already covers that use case. Also the app is offline-first. There is no server needed unless the user specifically configures that.

I appreciate your contributions but for me personally this is a dealbreaker.

Fair enough, thanks for the feedback.

FusedLocationProvider (GMS version) is generally better for most users. It combines GPS, WiFi, cell tower and sensor data for faster GPS fixes and better battery efficiency. The FOSS version uses raw LocationManager with GPS as primary and network as fallback. It works but GPS fixes can be slower, especially indoors. But if avoiding (sandboxed) Play Services is a priority, the FOSS version works fine too.

No worries.

I still don’t see a way to import data? Doesn’t do any good to back it up if I can’t import it back in?

Totally true. A import feature will be added with one of the upcoming releases.

The default setting is that everything stays on-device. The user then can change the config to fit their own threat model, e.g. by adding a server, choosing HTTP for LAN, etc.

No I understood the server is self-hosted…?

Colota is client-only. There is no Colota server software. When you add a server endpoint in the settings, you're pointing it at your own existing server (Dawarich, Home Assistant, Traccar or any HTTP endpoint). Colota doesn't provide or require any server component. It just sends data where you tell it to.

I see that but this should be an automatic backup process. Plus there’s no way I can see to IMPORT that data somewhere else. When I use an app like Fitotrack, it automatically makes a backup file periodically and then is automatically backed up to my server with Nextcloud or Syncthing. I don’t need a dedicated server for it.

Colota actually has automatic file export (Settings > Export Data > Auto-Export) that periodically exports to a directory on your device. From there Syncthing/Nextcloud can pick it up. Import is not yet available but is planned. There is no dedicated server needed and also not offered to setup. However you can create a webhook on your own server for the app if you want to. See e.g. https://colota.app/docs/integrations/custom-backend.

How can it do that when it didn’t ask me for an SSID? And what’s the point of the geofence if it doesn’t even use it anyway? I am cornfuse.

WiFi pause doesn't use a specific SSID. It detects any unmetered network (WiFi/Ethernet) while you're inside a geofence zone. The geofence defines where the pause should happen, the WiFi connection confirms you're settled there and is used to detect when you leave it. Without the geofence, any WiFi connection would pause tracking everywhere.

How is motion recognized without GPS?

Motion detection uses the device's hardware motion sensor (if available). It's a low-power sensor that fires when physical movement is detected.