polonius-rex

Good thing Nazism isn't sound, nor does it sound good, even without the label.

it was brought up to explain why "it's just saying it has negative connotations" doesn't make something neutral

Marxism is popular and easily understood, yet red scare propaganda and anticommunism has given it a negative connotation

you're kind of just imagining a different post at this point?

"it does, actually"? you're going to have to clarify what you mean by "this post makes a justification as to why the concepts behind marxism are sound and good", unless you mean that "people thinking the ideas sound good" is your justification, which you just argued a second ago wasn't what the post was doing, and which is exactly what i'm saying is a junk justification

"Marxism is popular" this post very specifically makes the point that marxism isn't popular, but its ideas are. that's like the whole point of the post

also, "easily understood" what? we haven't even defined what sort of marxism we're talking about here

it says nothing about the reasons for negative connotations; you're adding that yourself

Eugenics [is] not popular

again, i've given two examples where the average person would probably support eugenics-in-description-only

i learned it

i am built different

"people have a negative connotation to the word Marxism" absolutely has baked-in implications, and an argument left unsaid, even in total isolation

if i say to you "people think the word nazi has negative connotations", then even with no other context then obviously you'd conclude that i'm a nazi freak

the post doesn't make any justification for the ideas being sound and good, it says they sound good

i don't think this post's subtext is as simple as the interpretation you're providing

i've given two examples where i think the average person would come down on the side of "let's do some eugenics" until being told "haha you just agreed to do some eugenics"

the problem with the post is that if you boil it down, it becomes "things that sound good on the surface are automatically good", which doesn't hold

if you want to use the sentiment expressed in this post as an argument for marxism being good, which seems pretty transparent in this case, then that same sentiment being used to justify eugenics isn't a good thing for said argument

i'm not that concerned with the precise definition of "opposite", but i am concerned with whether or not the post's logic is sound

but that's literally what the comment's saying? and you're saying "that's an example of the opposite?

e.g., there's a pretty good argument that pre-natal screening is a form of eugenics

if you describe the mechanics of pre-natal screening to somebody, i suspect most would be in support of that, but wouldn't be if you described it using the term "eugenics"

like, if you were to notice that completing tertiary education makes it more difficult for people to have children, and you decided to create some form of government aid to offset that, then oopsie daisy you just did a eugenics, but you could absolutely package that idea in a way that most people would instinctively go "yeah that sounds okay"

also to preempt pls nobody do the intellectually dishonest thing of pretending me following this line of argument means im in love with eugenics and am here to argue for more eugenics or that i just dont think eugenics is such a bad thing after all thnk u

i'm baffled as to what's going on here

• if you describe the mechanics of eugenics, people like the idea
• if you label the mechanics of eugenics as eugenics, people do not like the idea

versus

• if you describe the mechanics of marxism, people like the idea
• if you label the mechanics of marxism as marxism, people do not like the idea

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but that's not what the comment said?

Lots of people promote eugenics

people sometimes end up accidentally talking themselves into eugenics and promoting eugenics before somebody points out that they're talking about eugenics

how is that an opposite?

an opposite would be something everybody thinks is a bad idea until you name it

unless you're saying people disagree with the concepts and goals of eugenics until you say "but that's just eugenics" at which point they're fully on board?

skill issue

word is fine if you know how to use it

none of its direct competitors have the same feature set, and a word processor that can give me compile time errors is not one i'm going to use with much enthusiasm

i'd be shocked if they didn't update it but i just timed myself doing it and it took less than 10 seconds