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[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You might try to be apolitical, but given that people seem to like echo chambers, if you don't, I bet that a competitor will.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 91 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

So, the "don't use copyrighted data in a training corpus" crowd probably isn't going to win the IP argument. And I would be quite surprised if IP law changes to accommodate them.

However, the "don't generate and distribute infringing material" is a whole different story. IP holders are on pretty solid ground there. One thing that I am very certain that IP law is not going to permit is just passing copyrighted data into a model and then generating and distributing material that would otherwise be infringing. I understand that anime rightsholders often have something of a tradition of sometimes letting fan-created material slide, but if generative AI massively reduces the bar to creating content, I suspect that that is likely to change.

Right now, you have generative AI companies saying


maybe legally plausibly


that they aren't the liable ones if a user generates infringing material with their model.

And while you can maybe go after someone who is outright generating and selling material that is infringing, something doesn't have to be commercially sold to be infringing. Like, if LucasArts wants to block for-fun fan art of Luke and Leia and Han, they can do that.

One issue is attribution. Like, generative AI companies are not lying when they say that there isn't a great way to just "reverse" what training corpus data contributed more to an output.

However, I am also very confident that it is very possible to do better than they do today. From a purely black-box standpoint, one possibility would be, for example, to use TinEye-style fuzzy hashing of images and then try to reverse an image, probably with a fuzzier hash than TinEye uses, to warn a user that they might be generating an image that would be derivative. That won't solve all cases, especially if you do 3d vision and generative AI producing models (though then you could also maybe do computer vision and a TinEye-equivalent for 3D models).

Another complicating factor is that copyright only restricts distribution of derivative works. I can make my own, personal art of Leia all I want. What I can't do is go distribute it. I think


though I don't absolutely know what case law is like for this, especially internationally


that generating images on hardware at OpenAI or whatever and then having them move to me doesn't count as distribution. Otherwise, software-as-a-service in general, stuff like Office 365, would have major restrictions on working with IP that locally-running software would not. Point is that I expect that it should be perfectly legal for me to go to an image generator and generate material as long as I do not subsequently redistribute it, even if it would be infringing had I done so. And the AI company involved has no way of knowing what I'm doing with the material that I'm generating. If they block me from making material with Leia, that's an excessively-broad restriction.

But IP holders are going to want to have a practical route to either be able to go after the generative AI company producing the material that gets distributed, or the users generating infringing material and then distributing it. AI companies are probably going to say that it's the users, and that's probably correct. Problem is from a rightsholder standpoint, yeah, they could go after the users before, but if it's a lot cheaper and easier to create the material now, that presents them with practical problems. If any Tom, Dick, and Harry can go out and generate material, they've got a lot more moles to whack in their whack-a-mole game.

And in that vein, an issue that I haven't seen come up is what happens if generative AI companies start permitting deterministic generation of content -- that is, where if I plug in the same inputs, I get the same outputs. Maybe they already do; I don't know, run my generative AI stuff locally. But supposing you have a scenario like this:

  • I make a game called "Generic RPG", which I sell.

  • I distribute


or sell


DLC for this game. This uses a remote, generative AI service to generate art for the game using a set of prompts sold as part of the DLC for that game. No art is distributed as part of the game. Let's say I call that "Adventures A Long Time Ago In A Universe Far, Far Away" or something that doesn't directly run afoul of LucasArts, creates enough distance. And let's set aside trademark concerns, for the sake of discussion. And lets say that the prompts are not, themselves infringing on copyright (though I could imagine them doing so, let's say that they're sufficiently distant to avoid being derivative works).

  • Every user buys the DLC, and then on their computer, reconstitutes the images for the game. At least if done purely-locally, this should be legal under case law

the GPL specifically depends on the fact that one can combine material locally to produce a derivative work as long as one does not then distribute it. Mods to (copyrighted) games can just distribute the deltas, producing a derivative work when the mod is applied, and that's definitely legal.

  • One winds up with someone selling and distributing what is effectively a "Star Wars" game.

Now, maybe training the model on images of Star Wars content so that it knows what Star Wars looks like isn't, as a single step, creating an infringing work. Maybe distributing the model that knows about Star Wars isn't infringement. Maybe the prompts being distributed designed to run against that model are not infringing. Maybe reconstituting the apparently-Star-Wars images in a deterministic fashion using SaaS to hardware that can run the model is not infringing. But if the net effect is equivalent to distributing an infringing work, my suspicion is that courts are going to be willing to create some kind of legal doctrine that restricts it, if they haven't already.

Now, this situation is kind of contrived, but I expect that people will do it, sooner or later, absent legal restrictions.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago

Those kinds of old text-based adventures are definitely worth a shout, but I think you mentioned their biggest flaw - that other means of interaction are much more natural and intuitive than text parsers.

I think that they improved in later years, and experience and improved design helps with "hunt the verb".

You might look at https://ifdb.org/

That being said, I haven't played much in recent years, so maybe that's a condemnation of them.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, not disagreeing with him.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

You probably don't want Iran to have jurisdiction over your dot-com.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Iran

Capital punishment is a legal penalty in Iran.[2] The list of crimes punishable by death includes murder; rape; child molestation; homosexuality; drug trafficking; armed robbery; kidnapping; terrorism; burglary; incest; fornication; adultery; sodomy; sexual misconduct; prostitution;[3][4] plotting to overthrow the Islamic government; political dissidence; sabotage; arson; rebellion; apostasy; blasphemy; extortion; counterfeiting; smuggling; recidivist consumption of alcohol; producing or preparing food, drink, cosmetics, or sanitary items that lead to death when consumed or used; producing and publishing pornography; using pornographic materials to solicit sex; capital perjury; recidivist theft; certain military offences (e. g., cowardice, assisting the enemy); "waging war against God"; "spreading corruption on Earth"; espionage; and treason.[5][6] Iran carried out at least 977 executions in 2015, at least 567 executions in 2016,[7] and at least 507 executions in 2017.[8] In 2018 there were at least 249 executions, at least 273 in 2019, at least 246 in 2020, at least 290 in 2021, at least 553 in 2022, at least 834 in 2023,[9] and at least 901 executions in 2024.[10] In 2023, Iran was responsible for 74% of all recorded executions in the world, with the UN confirming that at least 40 people were executed in one week in 2024.

Frankly, 4chan users or operators would probably have violated some of those, were they under jurisdiction of Iranian law.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 90 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

4chan also faces potential arrest and/or “imprisonment for a term of up to two years,” the lawsuit said.

You don't want to be locked in a small cell with 4chan for two years.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jeep/comments/194cbbj/turn_offdisconnect_remote_access_to_my_2021_gcth/

I just got a text from my dealership saying my oil light was on. Super pissed off about it... When I got the Jeep 2 years ago I asked Jeep to turn off ALL remote access/phone home capabilities to the vehicle. I was on the phone for a couple hours with them until I finally got someone who said they did it.

Weather alerts, contextual ads on my console, distant recording of my travels, whatever, I wanted everything off.

It has a 4G cellular module in the head unit, which connects to a separate 4G antenna via a port on the back of the head unit. Unplug the antenna from the head unit and it cannot communicate to anything. Obviously you have to remove a bunch of trim and the unit.

Now, it's possible that during maintenance, the process might involve uploading or downloading data to/from the manufacturer. That's hard to avoid.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago

since I can’t replace it any more.

There are small numbers of used Steam Controllers on the market.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22steam+controller%22&udm=28&shopmd=1

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

checks

I don't own a Deck, but Wikipedia does say that the Deck has HDMI out. I guess that having the Steam Controller available would presumably let you use the Deck as a console


plug it into your TV, pair a Steam Controller, and then you get a big screen and a lighter controller.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 58 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (7 children)

I kind of wish that Valve had kept producing the Steam Controller.

It really made sense in the context of sitting on a couch and playing mouse-oriented games. And when the Steam Machine flopped, that kind of killed a lot of reason for it.

But people also did find a use for them, and there isn't a real alternative.

EDIT: Well okay, there were those mods that involved tearing up a Steam Deck and using the components to make a DIY controller, but the price and technical barrier-to-entry there is gonna exclude most people.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Meh. I don't really agree with dessalines' politics on the left, but I wouldn't be upset if a company donated to Lemmy development just because of that. I don't really agree with the bs1770gain's guy's politics on the right, but I wouldn't be upset if a company donated to bs1770gain development just because of that. Neither software package is intrinsically tied to their politics.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

I assume that there's a segment of the population that:

  • Does vaguely like the idea of at least some home automation.

  • Doesn't have the technical expertise and/or time to wrangle with something like HomeAssistant. Wants something that works off-the-shelf.

  • Doesn't want to spend much money up front on a system, which creates pressure for an ad-supported model.

I will say that I'm still more than a little fuzzy on what substantial practical benefits people are actually getting from their deployed systems, though.

For at least some of this, like having a voice command to check the weather, a smartphone has to be pretty widely-deployed competition.

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