teawrecks

Android isn't kinda Linux, it is actually Linux. It includes other proprietary stuff too, but Google regularly contributes their changes upstream. Like it or not, android is a prime example of what is possible on mobile using Linux.

Yes, I agree that OP isn't looking for Android and wants to support an alternate option. But here's where I think our disconnect is: the goal wouldn't be for the alternate option to be a difficult to use, niche, build-it-yourself headache. That's never anyone's goal for anything. The goal is to make something roughly as good as, or better than Android, except FOSS.

It's just that it takes funding and vision to make something as feature rich as android, and both are hard to come by.

Cool then don't use a CLI on your phone, I don't know anyone who would.

Android is Linux, you don't need to build it yourself. That's not a precursor to using Linux on mobile any more than using a CLI is.

use the sustainable energy that was otherwise used for actually useful things.

But you could use that argument against literally anything you don't like.

Consider the situation where we live in a society where 100% of energy generated is sustainable. Now imagine the society faces a problem where 90% of that energy is being sold off to private citizens to use for whatever they choose, be that mining crypto, or space heaters (same thing, really) and as a result the society's infrastructure is left without enough energy (hospitals, emergency services, etc). What would you say the solution is in that situation?

Fair enough!

Apologies if I misunderstood your meaning when you said "android is already Linux on a phone and it's bad". If android is sufficient for your mobile Linux needs, that's fine, I use it too. But it doesn't fit the bill for everyone, and that's the point of OP wanting to support an actual FOSS mobile effort. The alternatives you list don't get them closer to what they're looking for.

Yeah, that tracks.

It's not clear to me why you believe Linux on mobile implies typing into a CLI interface using a phone keyboard. We choose to use the CLI when it makes the most sense as an input method for the platform, not because it's required by Linux.

As the post above pointed out, android is already Linux, so that's already an option. But OP's goal would be to have a FOSS phone given that phones are increasingly the computing device of choice for people, and there are very few feature complete FOSS options in that space right now.

For the vast majority of people these days, a phone/tablet is their computer, and a laptop/desktop cannot fulfill the same use cases. So if someone makes the very reasonable request for a phone recommendation, telling them to just use a laptop/desktop doesn't make any sense. It would be like someone asking for a recommendation for a moped, and responding "don't bother, just get a Ford F150".

In general I'm not a fan of commenters immediately telling someone on Manjaro to leave Manjaro. But since you're just transitioning to it, I have to agree, EndeavorOS is the way to go. Manjaro has some anti-patterns that create more trouble than they're worth.

I think maybe you think I said "zram offers a subset of features of swap space". Rather, zram offers a fundamentally different function from swap space as it resides in memory rather than on disk. It does not and cannot replace the function of disk-based swap space.

Edit: again, I don't want to argue semantics, generally when people say "swap space" they mean the on-disk partition and not just any memory that can be spilled to.

TIL that zram actually does advertise itself as somewhere you can swap to, and generally their terminology is correct, but I think most Linux users colloquially understand swap space as residing in nonvolatile memory.

Lol @ the idea that backtrack/kali is someone's daily driver.