yogthos

Yup, I'm arguing against myself here, you're very intelligent. 😂

Where do you think your gut reaction comes from genius? Absolutely hilarious that you can't understand that it's shaped by your conditions. You just continue to highlight the quality of your intellect here. 😂

you're getting mixed messages because you have low reading comprehension, I'll let you wallow in your confusion.

I have not, I'm just pointing out that people are a product of their environment. And you live in a fascist nations, which is what shapes your fucked up views.

It's hilarious that you admit having a superficial understanding of the topic you're attempting to debate, and then get mad when people point that out. An uneducated opinion is indeed worth nothing. If you want your opinion to be valued then invest the time to investigate the subject you're opining on. It's not really rocket science mate.

I can only go by what you say and what you link to, which is nonsense that comes directly from wikipedia. I've provided you with plenty of non wikipedia sources demonstrating that what you say is false. You never actually addressed any of it, and just spammed wiki links. Now you're acting like your opinion is worth something.

The fact that you get your world view solely from wikipedia explains a lot actually.

The leadership of the USSR tried to grow the economy in an irresponsible manner which starved millions.

That's factually inaccurate. Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:

• https://wid.world/document/soviets-oligarchs-inequality-property-russia-1905-2016/
• https://wid.world/document/appendix-soviets-oligarchs-inequality-property-russia-1905-2016-wid-world-working-paper-201710/

USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960's, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union
• https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB5054/index1.html

Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:

• https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp84b00274r000300150009-5

believe the USSR is a horrible example as the economy relied on oil in order to function and is widely regarded by workers who used to live under it as a suppressive country that ignored human rights.

Having actually grown up in USSR, I can tell you that this is just US propaganda you're regurgitating.

I believe the way is to go for something in between

Going for something in between is China's approach. While private companies and a stock market exist, they operate within a socialist framework, guided by the principles laid out by Chen Yun. Chen advocated for a "birdcage economy," where the market acts as a bird, free to fly within the confines of a cage representing the overall economic plan. His approach, adopted in the early 1980s, allowed for use of market forces for efficient allocation of resources, while the state maintained ultimate control over the direction and goals of economic development.

When it comes to blockchain technology and ai I think the hype was temporary with blockchain and it itself is quite an interesting and innovative but useless tech. For AI I believe we will see them improve a lot and become many times better than the stupid chatbots we have today and it will probably be the driving factor of innovation of the 21. century. I know this is quite the bold claim but it has a lot of potential.

Another way we could phrase this as the leadership of the US tried to grow the economy in an irresponsible manner which starved millions. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/us/food-insecurity-30-million-census-survey/index.html

Ownership also holds one accountable. Were in east-germany many people didn’t see the point in work as the government ensured a certain living standard a potential to rise through new ideas and hard work is non-existent.

That's why cooperative ownership is important. Capitalist enterprises have exact same problem where the workers are alienated from their labor.

I mean there are lots of obvious examples of capitalist markets misallocating resources on a massive scale. Take the current AI hype or the blockchain madness that preceded it. In general, capitalism does a really poor job of ensuring that the needs of the working majority are met, and allocating resources in equitable fashion that benefits the working majority. US is one of the richest countries in the world, yet it has incredible amounts of people living in destitute conditions.

The obvious comparison is USSR vs US bloc during the cold war. US ended up in a dominant position because it was an ocean away. While Europe and USSR took the brunt of the war. US got to spin up their industry, and then massively profited from reconstruction of Europe. Meanwhile, USSR had to rebuild effectively on its own. Yet, even starting from such a massively disadvantaged position, USSR managed to challenge the western bloc and was seen as an existential threat by the US.

Furthermore, USSR produced many technological firsts. USSR was the first to put a satellite in space, and led majority of the space race. They produced the first Tokamak thermonuclear experimental system, developed the first intercontinental ballistic missile, and so on. It's pretty clear that innovation was quite vibrant in USSR without any need for markets.

That's because US is and always has been a fascist state. Only difference with Trump is that he's open about what burgerland truly stands for. Thanks for proving my point.

I urge you to actually learn about Marxism, because your claims are demonstrably false. Things like supply chains work just fine, and in many cases far better than they do under capitalism and markets.

My post does no such thing. You made a false argument premised on the idea that most people would support the mechanics of eugenics. You believe this to be true because you are a fascist who believes in eugenics, and you're projecting your depraved views onto others. Everyone can see through you. Go home little fash.