I have found that the results from Baidu do not state whether violence happened or how many were killed in regards to the massacre. The event also seems absent from the Baidu encyclopedia: https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E5%A4%A9%E5%AE%89%E9%97%A8/63708
This is more than a government that doesn't want to acknowledge any violence on their part, it acts to silence discussion around the event and the .ml community's actions replicate that effect (which damns any objectivity the mods have).
Well now that we have established that it is as censored as I believe because I have first hand experience, can we circle back to massacres and censoring said massacres are bad and not what we want in a social media service?
Dude, I literally ran a Firefox plugin at one time that gave me the "Great Firewall of China" experience. But just in case, I went over to Baidu and did a search and here's the official story you speak of (and the only one told in the search results): https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2011-07/14/content_12898720.htm
The article does not address how many people were killed or even whether violence occurred.
I would call those results to be censorship.
Edit: I don't like the South Korean state either, but not more or less, just different. I'm not here to say which state is more morally justified than another, even when they're at end stage capitalism.
If the discussion is about how a government that massacres its own people and censors even searches of it is bad, then no, rectifying that difference in number doesn't make the objection go away.
Deleting and banning those who discuss tienamen square is pretty damning IMHO.
Come on dude, I just mentioned Blahaj. Don't pretend only .world has a problem with .ml . And again, the two complaints of censorship raised by the two are not the same. The majority of communities wants moderation to at least attempt to be objective towards history.
And? I was over at Blahaj when this stuff went down so admittedly things played differently in different parts of the fediverse. Even so, the details of how things escalated should not distract from the behavior that is central to the conflict: ML engaging in censorship motivated by personal ideology instead of making an attempt to be objective.
Many other servers asked them to clean house but they refused, hence the defed. Wild how the ones deleting and banning users are the victims of censorship here 🙄
If I do, it’s uncodifiable
Things can still be codified and justified without an appeal to power. Lots of software is written that way today.
a clause that no one is allowed to use logical fallacies to defend it.
I don't understand why that would be a necessity or desired.
When I say antisocial behavior I'm not talking about ideology but historical actions like banning people posting literal facts about tiananmen or any other historical event. When responses fail to acknowledge actual history that is brought up, then it is likely working from a reactionary framework.
Is that why Hexbear and Lemmygrad were blocked? Hexbear being one of the largest and most active overtly trans-positive instances, and Lemmygrad being the largest explicitly Marxist Instance?
Blocked for being antisocial? Yes. If it was about being trans then Blahaj would have been blocked a long time ago.
If anything, I'm complaining about bad communist tropes dominating the media representation, and by that I mean leninists.
But it's also very gay, so it's probably worth it.