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[–] DosDude@retrolemmy.com 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Now do paint. Or even more useless: calculator.

No need to "fix" notepad. It does what it has to. If you're a power user, you can download something else. But I'll bet it won't have Ai in it.

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Why the fuck would I ever want AI in my calculators? Even Algebra never required AI in the past

[–] Hyperlon@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Because AI is obviously better at solving math than the code programmers wrote. Duh. /S

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In all seriousness, if you show Bing Chat an equation, it will go through the steps and solve it clearly, it's actually really helpful. I really don't understand all this hate for AI just because it's AI. New technology is cool and useful, and I'd understand hating it because it's made by Microsoft, I try to use free software including free AI, but AI in itself is not bad or useless.

[–] Hyperlon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nah I don't hate AI but an AI cannot do math faster than the hardware designed to do it. It's like saying an emulator is faster than the bare hardware. The AI would have to find a revolutionary new way of solving the equation to make it faster than the hardware.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Of course, they're different types of things. You give hard equations with lots of x and y to a chatbot, or ask it about a method you don't understand, so it can explain it to you.

[–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

AI would have to find a revolutionary new way of solving the equation to make it faster than the hardware.

This doesn't sound impossible. It reminded me of how AlphaGo, and how AlphaGo Zero became "the world's top player" of Go by letting it train itself by trial-and-error instead of by watching human players using existing Go strategies:

During the games, AlphaGo played several inventive winning moves. In game two, it played Move 37 — a move that had a 1 in 10,000 chance of being used.

Source: AlphaGo | Google DeepMind

AlphaGo and its successors use a Monte Carlo tree search algorithm to find its moves based on knowledge previously acquired by machine learning, specifically by an artificial neural network (a deep learning method) by extensive training, both from human and computer play. A neural network is trained to identify the best moves and the winning percentages of these moves. This neural network improves the strength of the tree search, resulting in stronger move selection in the next iteration.

Source: AlphaGo | Wikipedia

Training artificial intelligence (AI) without datasets derived from human experts has significant implications for the development of AI with superhuman skills because expert data is "often expensive, unreliable or simply unavailable." Demis Hassabis, the co-founder and CEO of DeepMind, said that AlphaGo Zero was so powerful because it was "no longer constrained by the limits of human knowledge".

Source: AlphaGo Zero | Wikipedia

Following this way of thinking, why let a human figure out how to solve equations most efficiently if the machine can find some way of calculating/computing that we had never even been able to think of?

Note, I'm investigating this with curiosity, and I'm no expert in the field.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

You don't want reasonably written, believable, factually dubious answers from your calculator?

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't mind a bit of wolfram alpha

[–] errorlab@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because now it can be done on the cloud with AI for triple the time, also subscriptions.

[–] harry_balzac@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

It bills you each time you make a spelling error.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

They already did both of those. Paint has layers now and calculator got worse because they decided to split everything up into different modes which is a pain when you want to do hex conversions but also do non-truncated division, especially because it resets the history and storage when switching modes.

It seems to me like these apps are being redesigned by people who don't use the features, or maybe with the primary design goal of reducing support calls from people who have no clue what they are doing.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

They sure fucked up SwiftKey

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Well, MS has been supporting paint.net for a while now. It's kinda like MS Paint but not completely terrible.