Transitive defederation -- defederating from instances that federate with Threads as well as defederating from Threads -- isn't likely to be an all-or-nothing thing in the free fediverses. Tradeoffs are different for different people and instances. This is one of the strengths of the fediverse, so however much transitive defederation there winds up being, I see it as overall as a positive thing -- although also messy and complicated.

The recommendation here is for instances to consider #TransitiveDefederation: discuss, and decide what to do. I've also got some thoughts on how to have the discussion -- and the strategic aspects.

(Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses )

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 66 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, strong arming instances to do something or another based on a personal preference I thought was meta's job, not the fediverses.

The entire point is that each instance should decide for themselves. If they want to defederate with me because I haven't made up my mind yet, then so long I guess, to me that says more about them then it does Meta.

[–] balancedchaos@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

As long as Meta can't infect the rest of the fediverse, or track or monetize it...fine. I just never, ever want Meta shit on my timeline.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago

How would Meta “infect” anything? Do you really think Meta is producing self-replicating things that jump from person to person?

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What sort of "Meta shit" would you possibly expect to appear on your timeline?

[–] balancedchaos@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sort by "all," and the popular instances show up.

I wouldn't like to see FB and Threads dominate that with the bleating of the sheep they've cultivated.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay, but what sort of material would you expect to actually see on your timeline in this scenario?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They can’t answer this. All they do is downvote you. It means you found the end of their philosophy.

For some people, their philosophy ends where a question about specifics begins.

[–] balancedchaos@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Wow. Really reaching there, huh?

What Meta shit wouldn't I like to see? A general watering down of the comment quality. Trolling. Nonsense. What has happened to every somewhat technical technology the second the normies cry "gatekeeping" and force their way in with a dumb fucking look on their face and without an original idea in their heads.

That Meta shit is what I'd like to avoid. Just because one doesn't have opportunity to respond doesn't mean there isn't a response.

[–] sour@kbin.social -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

””””influencers””””

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure they're on TikTok, and not Threads.

[–] sour@kbin.social -4 points 10 months ago

._.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So don't subscribe to Meta-hosted communities?

Lots of Fediverse instances let you block whole instances, too, so you could personally block them. Problem solved.

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've learned that there's a huge number of people on lemmy who prefer government regulation to self control. I had an argument with a guy the other day who wants $12 lattes banned instead of simply not buying them. Apparently making something available is the same as putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy it.

[–] sour@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

does self control prevent triangle shirtwaist fire

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, that is an example of an appropriate problem to solve with regulation. "If something I exists I must buy it and that is the vendor's fault" is not.

[–] sour@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

if regular latte is 12 dollars is economy problem

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

McDonald's has a latte for $1 and Dunkin donuts has one for $2.65. It's not an economy problem. It's probably a pretty good latte. I dunno, never tried it, $12 is too much for sugar coffee.

[–] sour@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

is problem when mcdonalds latte costs 12 dollars

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

That would be some pretty intense inflation yeah

[–] sour@kbin.social -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

because refusing to talk to instance is strong arming

[+] thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.blahaj.zone -10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Indeed, the entire point is that instances should decide for themselves -- I say it multiple times in the article and I say it in the excerpt. If they think that you federating with Meta puts them at risk, then they should defederate. And yes, it says more about the instances making the decisions than it does about Meta -- Meta's hosting hate groups and white supremacists whether or not people defederate or transitively defederate.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Aren't you from that instance that threw a tantrum recently and threatened to defed the programming instance because of a personal beef between the admins that was quickly resolved and only resulted in creating a bunch of needless drama?

The above OP is right, it really says more about the servers advocating these things than Meta. Stop wallowing in the mud and just be better than them. Lead by example, not whatever this petty squabble is.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for getting what I was saying.

I'm giving meta a 3 strike rule for my instance. Yes, I will probably eventually defederate with them - but I'm not going to immediately do it now. Yes, they're a horrible company, horrible ethics, and I hate them. However, I'm not going to be one who just blocks them prematurely, they can prove themselves why they're terrible to me. I'll probably get overwhelmed with moderating and just cut it then.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Thank you for fighting the good fight. That's the proper way to do it.

[–] sour@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

anyone can be better than company that experimented on teenagers