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‘Impossible’ to create AI tools like ChatGPT without copyrighted material, OpenAI says::Pressure grows on artificial intelligence firms over the content used to train their products

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[–] S410@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Expect for all the cases when humans do exactly that.

A lot of learning is, really, little more than memorization: spelling of words, mathematical formulas, physical constants, etc. But, of course, those are pretty small, so they don't count?

Then there's things like sayings, which are entire phrases that only really work if they're repeated verbatim. You sure can deliver the same idea using different words, but it's not the same saying at that point.

To make a cover of a song, for example, you have to memorize the lyrics and melody of the original, exactly, to be able to re-create it. If you want to make that cover in the style of some other artist, you, obviously, have to learn their style: that is, analyze and memorize what makes that style unique. (e.g. C418 - Haggstrom, but it's composed by John Williams)

Sometimes the artists don't even realize they're doing exactly that, so we end up with with "subconscious plagiarism" cases, e.g. Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music.

Some people, like Stephen Wiltshire, are very good at memorizing and replicating certain things; way better than you, I, or even current machine learning systems. And for that they're praised.

[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Except they literally don't. Human memory doesn't retain an exact copy of things. Very good isn't the same as exactly. And human beings can't grab everything they see and instantly use it.

[–] S410@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Machine learning doesn't retain an exact copy either. Just how on earth do you think can a model trained on terabytes of data be only a few gigabytes in side, yet contain "exact copies" of everything? If "AI" could function as a compression algorithm, it'd definitely be used as one. But it can't, so it isn't.

Machine learning can definitely re-create certain things really closely, but to do it well, it generally requires a lot of repeats in the training set. Which, granted, is a big problem that exists right now, and which people are trying to solve. But even right now, if you want an "exact" re-creation of something, cherry picking is almost always necessary, since (unsurprisingly) ML systems have a tendency to create things that have not been seen before.

Here's an image from an article claiming that machine learning image generators plagiarize things.

However, if you take a second to look at the image, you'll see that the prompters literally ask for screencaps of specific movies with specific actors, etc. and even then the resulting images aren't one-to-one copies. It doesn't take long to spot differences, like different lighting, slightly different poses, different backgrounds, etc.

If you got ahold of a human artist specializing in photoreal drawings and asked them to re-create a specific part of a movie they've seen a couple dozen or hundred times, they'd most likely produce something remarkably similar in accuracy. Very similar to what machine learning images generators are capable of at the moment.

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