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I like this response best so far (from the actual mailing list): https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/10576437.nUPlyArG6x@lichtvoll.de/ (from Martin Steigerwald)
This quote is not the entire response, but most of it. Edit: I totally forgot to include a link. Added now.
isn't the issue that kent thinks the kernel guidelines don't apply to him because he's just that good? unless i'm missing something, why should we just let him try to trample the kernel guidelines without even asking for an apology?
this is absolutely the issue… the specific thing he did is irrelevant: you play by the rules, or you gtfo… it doesn’t matter how valuable your contributions are, if you can’t treat people with respect that leads to a toxic culture that eats at the project from the inside
linus was renowned for his insults… he realised (or was told; doesn’t matter at this point) that that behaviour was inappropriate, and his behaviour is now more tempered because it’s important to be able to ensure everyone feels like their work is valued and they’re not just shoveling shit for someone else
and i say this all as someone who is absolutely ecstatic about the prospect of bcachefs and think that his code is among the most important being contributed in the past years and for the next few years: WE NEED A NEW STABLE FILESYSTEM more than almost anything… but if you allow bad behaviour, it erodes the collaborative culture and you just can not allow that in the largest collaborative software project humanity has ever created
When other devs can force a CoC on the actual creator of Linux, that's when you know they've gone to far. It's his, wtf should anyone else get a say in how it's governed?
it’s absolutely not his. he is a major and important contributor and person in the community, but linux belongs to humanity and to the community that has now written far more of linux than linus has
The hell it isn't. It wouldn't exist if he didn't start the entire thing. He birthed it. At best, anyone else has only contributed to it.
If he can’t abide by his own rules, than what are the rules for?
It's not his own rules, they were imposed on him by snowflakes.
While I understand the sentiment, I'd argue that an apology should be made in the same context as what you're apologizing for. Kent made his statements on the LKML - if his apology is sincere, I don't think it's too much to ask to put it there as well
I'm not a fan of forced apology. It's just there like forcing a billionaire to apology, so some people feel better and to get a false sense. An apology should come from them without asking for one. Otherwise it loses its meaning and is only a formal apology, not a meaningful one. It can even make it worse, because people tend to forget look over the issue as resolved. As said, I do not like the idea at all.
Nobody forced him to apologize. On the other hand, the Linux community isn't forced to take his patches.
it doesn't matter if his apology is sincere or not, bc the point is not to make him sincerely repent from his sins. the point is ensuring he will subject himself to the kernel guidelines whether he likes it or not. a public apology means "regardless of how right i think i am, i will now follow the rules of the house"
simple as
You'll almost never get a forced apology out of an autistic person, anyway. The CoC has no consideration for the neurodivergent.
An apology is a necessary but not sufficient requirement. Reincidence will likely get him booted, apologies or not.
To me it sounds like Shuah is trying to prove his position has a value while also being on this level of a power trip
What’s the alternative? Ignore the CoC and ask “pwetty pwease don’t do it again?”
No, them’s the rules, you play by them or you don’t play at all.
The alternative is developers leaving Linux contribution leaving just corporate contributors, which appears to be the Linux Foundation's plan.