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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 190 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Welcome, new industry heads. That's how it works. China takes a car, picks it apart and builds a cheaper car. That's what they've been doing for decades now.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's par for the course, but it's hilarious that openai "we have to get copyrighted material for free because fuck you" is pulling that defense now.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago

We got angry when Japan did this in the 60s and 70s. I'm going to paste part of the opening from Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash."

Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it -- talking trade balances here -- once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they 're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here -- once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel -- once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity -- y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else

  • music
  • movies
  • microcode (software)
  • high-speed pizza delivery

The Deliverator used to make software. Still does, sometimes. But if life were a mellow elementary school run by well-meaning education Ph.D.s, the Deliverator ' s report card would say: "Hiro is so bright and creative but needs to work harder on his cooperation skills."

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

I'm kinda reminded of the tale of how the Zilog Z80 processor chip had dozens of little "tricks" built into it. It was being produced in Japan which at the time was famous for their chip production and for copying chip designs. Apparently their little tricks were baffling enough that it delayed the appearance of knock-offs chips by half a year.

[–] WorldwideCommunity@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Ah the Burger King model

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

looks at all my non-critical electronics.....

enshitification smells like Chineseium

That said, I like cheap non-critical crap

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I bought my parachute from AliExpress and my reserve chute from Temu.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Would it be better to get your primary from a reputable house and your backup from a discount, or better to get your primary from a discount and your backup from a reputable house?

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You rarely use the reserve so I buy the cheapest one I can.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

With zero investment in innovation. They just wait and steal the work. Easy to undercut American companies when you have no R&D costs.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Forgot that they are only able to do so because the Western capitalists have been trying to snuff out domestic organized labor and thus dumping huge sums of money into Chinese production for half a century.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah. The crying by CEOs during this obviously inevitable "and find out" phase is beyond ludicrous.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

I guess, but very often private innovation builds upon a bunch of fundamental research funded by the tax payer. Then the private sector patents it, and brings it to market, overcharges and earns billions. Tough luck if China gets better at this game.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If it was just pure copying the best you could hope for is that you match the performance of your competitor. To exceed their performance genuine investment must be made.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And since China is not a party to any Western IP trade agreements and not bound under international trade law, the only solution is a) diplomacy or b) war

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago