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Wait, you think Putin has credibility when speaking on climate change? To quote the late Sen. John McCain describing Russia as “a gas station masquerading as a country”. Putin's life and livelihood depend on continued world's unchecked consumption of fossil fuels. Putin has zero credibility on the subject. Why would anyone consider him an objective source?
You and I must have seen different speeches. Part of Thunberg's appeal was her eloquence in speech especially speaking truth to power. Here's part of 16 year old Greta Thunberg's speech in the UN:
"The popular idea of cutting our emissions in half in 10 years only gives us a 50% chance of staying below 1.5 degrees [Celsius], and the risk of setting off irreversible chain reactions beyond human control.
"Fifty percent may be acceptable to you. But those numbers do not include tipping points, most feedback loops, additional warming hidden by toxic air pollution or the aspects of equity and climate justice. They also rely on my generation sucking hundreds of billions of tons of your CO2 out of the air with technologies that barely exist.
"So a 50% risk is simply not acceptable to us — we who have to live with the consequences."
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I can't imagine a world where you're calling that "petulant". At 16 years old she had more poise and gravitas than many of the world leaders she was speaking to. You say she hasn't done anything. I beg to differ. Further, if what she has done is nothing, it raises the obvious question: what have you done to avert climate catastrophe?
I never said that. I said that to the general public he may appear as more credible based on his behavior when adressing the issue compared to Greta which would undermine environmental efforts. This is what I'm concerned about.
Ok, usually I welcome debates, but I can see that you were very angry when you wrote this so I think it's better that we stop here. Before finishing off, I would like to clarify one more time that I'm not a climate change denier. I just don't like the way Greta and others like her operate since it's my belief that their aggressiveness undermines the movement and increases the risk of turning people into reactionaries. That's my opinion. I'm entitled to it just as much as you're entitled to your own.
I'm not angry. I'm shocked at your position though. I see your position as dismissive of someone who is actually doing something about the crisis she will inherit with the tiny fractional power she had before adulthood. She, and her generation, have no time for a timid approach. We're going to be long dead and she'll still be here trying to live through the mess we, and our parents, have cause her and everyone else her age.
Thats fine. I don't see a path to anything that would yield productive conversation from here.